Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:50:28 -0700 (MST)
From: (fordtrucks80up-digest)
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #214

fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, November 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 214

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In this issue:

RE: Turn signal malfunction ["Beaman, James" ]
99 Suspension [abbott ]
RE:2.3L Ranger Power [ (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: Bed Liners ["Froggy" ]
99 Suspension [ (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: Please help decode VIN # []
Re: Golf Games []
FYI - Celebs? who drive Ford Trucks [Gary Snook ]
Re: 99 Suspension [Joe Maleski ]
part #'s ["Casey Vandor" ]
gear box oil leakage ["R.L.H.O." ]
Re: gear box oil leakage [Thom Cheney ]
Re: AOD Shift pattern []
Re: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #212 ["Thomas Smith" ]
Truck lift [ (quadrai)]
Ranger mats []
Re:Diesels and International ["WK" ]
Ford Expedition CAD Drawings [Sandro Deluca ]



Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:31:31 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Turn signal malfunction

Don Vanco wrote:

> At 11:01 AM 11/7/97 -0600, Beaman, James wrote:
> >Yesterday, when I turned on my turn signal, nothing happened. No
> >indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing.
> Makes
> >no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
> >the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come
> on
> >and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?
> Did you check the flasher module? I have seen them go either way -
> you get
> the "manual flash" or no flash at all....
> Don
Yep, that was the problem, it failed off. Someone else stated in an
earlier message that I would need a heavy duty flasher for trailer
towing. I believe this was true on earlier pickups like the '85 F-150 I
used to own. I thought I would need one for my '92 also but they have a
three contact plug-in which would not plug into my flasher port which
will only accomodate two plugs. I bought the regular duty and it blinks
at the same rate while towing as solo. I guess Ford found a way to get
around the need for a heavy duty flasher (like a capacitor timer as Bill
Funk wrote earlier). The only problem is this one didn't last over a
month. Hopefully it was just a manufacturing defect. Time will tell.

James Beaman
Houston, Texas


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:38:33 -0800
From: abbott
Subject: 99 Suspension

Any info on the 99's front suspension?
Are the 250's keeping the TTB front and the Super Dutys solid axle? What
about springs, I'm hopeing for all Leaves. How about the 4X2's any leaves on
the monobeams? I guess not much can change in the rear suspension.
- -Tyler-


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:44:51, -0500
Subject: RE:2.3L Ranger Power

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:01:42 -0500
From: "Froggy"
Subject: Re: Bed Liners

Judy, why not just have your bed sprayed with the heavy rubberized
protectant like "rhino lining". It ccan be matched to the color of your
truck, doesn't take up bed space, eliminates moisture/condensation
problems, is highly durable, and looks great even after heavy use. Make
sure you use a reputable jobber I think you will be very happy. I'm not a
big supporter of 1 piece liners either but have no experience with the 3
piece. Good luck.......froggy (92 ranger xcab 4x4)

- ----------
> From: Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)
> To: 'Ford Truck Questions To List'
> Subject: Bed Liners
> Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 3:36 PM
> Has anyone ever used, heard of, know any thing about Side Liners? This
> is a 3 piece liner for the truck bed that covers the two sides and
> front. It is designed to be used with a bed mat and a tail gate
> protector. It is supposedly made out of the same plastic as a normal
> one-piece bed liner and there is no drilling or use of screws to
> install. It just fits up under the side rails and the bed mat helps
> hold the bottom of the pieces in place. I like the thought of being
> able to take the liner out once in a while (and be able to do it
> myself). I also like the storage potential for three smaller pieces
> instead of one big one. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
> Judy Thill
> Fire Operations Officer
> Maple Grove Fire Department
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:07:42, -0500
Subject: 99 Suspension


I am guessing leaves on ALL monobeam front axles (4x2 and 4x4) and
coils on the 4x2 Twin I Beams.


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:08:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Please help decode VIN #

In a message dated 97-11-10 12:14:07 EST, you write:

> In a message dated 97-11-07 07:41:59 EST, you write:
> Where can you get information like this? How do you know?
> Craig
> >>
> Craig,
> I looked it up in my Ford Light Truck Shop Manual for Body / Chassis/
> Electrical, It breaks down all the codes in detail.
> Phil
>>About the axle codes for these trucks...I have some more info now that I
>>have this monster home. It has an axle code of "31", which I suspect is
>>3.xx:1 . Also, much to my delight, it is NOT equipped with a catatonic,
>>errrr, catalytic converter! There may be a nice set of headers & duals
>>in its future.

If you got that axle code off the tag inside the door jam then you have a
Dana 4.10:1, 5300lb capacity.

>>A couple of questions have come up since I got to drive it some distance
>>at hiway speeds. The oil pressure is great when cold at all speeds, ok
>>at 30mph & up when hot, but just about dissapears at idle when hot. I'm
>>suspecting it needs a new oil pump...there are no obnoxious noises from
>>the engine even when the pressure goes away. Not even a ticking lifter!
>>Anyone experienced these symptoms?

I sure have, it's a common symptom of wear. When the pump is really whirring
it can keep good pressure, and when cold the oil is so thick it won't squirt
by the worn bearing surfaces so easily. Different story when the oil thins
due to heat. I wouldn't worry about it if the engine runs good and the
pressure it is not dangerously low. A rebuild will fix it, but you may not
want to go that far yet. My Ford got so worn that the pressure never rose
above the lowest line in the "normal Range". My brother borrowed the truck
and freeked out when he saw it. He thought she was ready to blow and added
oil it didn't need. I put another 25000 miles on that truck it before


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:04:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Golf Games

I don't see anything wrong with an occasional joke. Take your head out of
"where the sun don't shine" and lighten up. We're all on this list to help
each other out and have fun. Jokes are usually fun, last time I checked.

In a message dated 97-11-10 13:56:21 EST, you write:

> If I wanted entertainment I would not have linked up with the Ford
> Enthusiasts!
> Put your funnies where the sun does not shine.
> B. Carothers >>


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:13:50 -0600
From: Gary Snook
Subject: FYI - Celebs? who drive Ford Trucks

Heard on the radio in Portland, OR that Tonya Harding, defrocked figure
skater, had her prize Ford truck stolen from the parking lot of a local

At which point the announcer asked the obvious question: Why didn't she use
the Club?


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:18:21 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: 99 Suspension

>I am guessing leaves on ALL monobeam front axles (4x2 and 4x4) and
>coils on the 4x2 Twin I Beams.

Well folks, if this is true, then I might be in a bit of trouble for
suggesting that the emporer has no clothes. Hear me out:

If the 4x4 suspension is still leaf spring and solid axle, then where is
the new engineering on the 1999 heavy duty trucks? I mean seriously, four
door super cabs and a new grille and interior are for the most part, body
and cosmetic changes. It could even be argued that adding an intercooler
to the PowerStroke is an incremental upgrade. Moving to a V10 over the 460
is not even that much of a stretch. If I flip a 1999 upside down I'd sure
like to be able to tell it from an upside down 1997, or else how am I going
to justify a 10% price increase?

Granted, I realize that the '97 F-250HD had the TTB and to move to a solid
axle on the 3/4 ton design is significant, but Ford could have just as
easily switched emblems on the front fenders with a current F-350.

And yea, we get disc brakes all the way around, that's a good thing. If
you add up all the changes, then yeah, Ford did a lot for one model year
(or two). But is the '99 that radical of a redesign to warrant all the


Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:40:34 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: part #'s

Does any one out there have the part numbers for the high altitude exhaust.
I need the part numbers for the first piece, (connects to the manifolds,
and the size of the pipe. This is for an '83 351 Windsor, carberated, with
stock manifolds, not for long though I hope :) My local Ford dealer says
there was no such thing, but it says so right on the build sheet I
(I have a custom exhaust so I have no idea what was on it originally, but
would like to have a similar setup.)


Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:50:21 -0200
From: "R.L.H.O."
Subject: gear box oil leakage

Hi folks ! Greetings from Brazil...

I have a brand new Ranger XLT 4.0 and it seems to have a small oil leakage
coming from the gear box bottom.
Any ideas ? Any similar problem?

Thank you all.

Rodrigo Heitzmann


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:09:20 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: gear box oil leakage

R.L.H.O. wrote:
> Hi folks ! Greetings from Brazil...
> I have a brand new Ranger XLT 4.0 and it seems to have a small oil leakage
> coming from the gear box bottom.
> Any ideas ? Any similar problem?
> Thank you all.

Hola amigo! bienvenidos!!

If I were you, I'd head straight back to the is definitely
his problem!!!!

- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:33:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: AOD Shift pattern

correct, no lockout. if you take and run out 1st then put it in drive then
pull it down into 1st again it will hold second and cyle the clutches for
drive in turn heating the bands and eventually blowing the tranny up...


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:48:53
From: "Thomas Smith"
Subject: Re: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #212

Recently had to replace the switch on the top of te column that the
rod actived it was a little painful but not to bad. Since then I have had
no problems.

Thomas C. smith

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:21:48 -0800
From: (quadrai)
Subject: Truck lift

I recently purchased a 1994 Ford F-150. The truck was lift 3". What should I
look for to make sure that this installatioon was done properly ??



Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:10:44 +0000
Subject: Ranger mats

For Sale :
Ford Ranger Floor Mats (grey with Ranger written down sides in black
lettering ) New , bought from Ford . I off-road a lot and think I'll
ruin them so I'd like to sell them . I'm asking $35including shipping



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:50:42 -0600
From: "WK"
Subject: Re:Diesels and International

> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:07:46 -0800
> From: (The Hepburn)
> Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #209
> Ian sez:
> > Bill, all diesels foundin ford pickups are made by international.
> you might want to qualify that; I personally know of a Ford pickup
> that contains an Isuzu diesel...of course it didn't come from the
> factory that way! Let's just say that all diesels found in Ford
> pickups as they leave the factory are made by International!

Well, almost! The 83-84 Ford Ranger 2.2L Turbo Diesel engine was
produced by Ford, and the 85-87 versions 2.3L Turbo Diesel engine was
produced by Mitsubishi.

Warren Kurtz
Ford Ranger Fans On-Line
Kurtz Kustomz Motorsports


Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:15:36 +1100
From: Sandro Deluca
Subject: Ford Expedition CAD Drawings

Hi! Writing to you from Australia. I am looking at converting Ford
Expeditions from left to right hand drive for use on Australian roads.
Can anyone assist me with CAD data/information on instrument panels,
firewalls, etc Thanks
Sandro DeLuca
OEM Conversions
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