Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:50:35 -0700 (MST)
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fordtrucks61-79-digest Thursday, January 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 032

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In this issue:

Swapping a '86 4 cyl into an '84 Truck ["Lavon Ackley" ]
Re: 428 Conversion [BDIJXS ]
RE: Carbs ?? [Sleddog ]
Re: F100 Nationals Booth [Barry Price ]
Re: Dana 44 update II and Frame Painting ["Michael Redden"
Re: Tailgate Latch ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Disc brake 9" rear end []
Re: Tailgate Latch [Firrer ]
Re: Tailgate Latch [Firrer ]
FE intake blues ["Deacon" ]
Re: Rear Brakes []
Re: []
test [Ken Payne ]



Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:28:53 -0500
From: "Lavon Ackley"
Subject: Swapping a '86 4 cyl into an '84 Truck

I have an 84 Ranger that I may have sold but the guy wants me to put his
motor from a '86 Ranger in it. What am I up against? Swapping the motor
and transmission is no big deal but what about the ignition and fuel
system? Is this more trouble than it's worth? Is this more than a
weekend project? Sorry about all the questions I just want to make sure
that I set the price right to cover the work.


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:32:32 EST
Subject: Re: 428 Conversion

Just a little update on the 360/428 conversion....I lucked out and found a 428
crank ready to go from a local crankshaft grinder. Its been ground .030 on the
mains and .040 on the rods..I guess I'll start looking for a set of rods now,
then figure out which pistons to get to keep the compression ration at about 9
to 1. Finally, has anyone used an FT flywheel in their pickup? The idea of a
heavier flywheel appeals to me since I'm just after the low end... I'm
wondering if I can use this to help externally balance the 428 crank. I'm not
sure, but I think I need a special harmonic balancer as well...

.....Any ideas out there?

Jeff Schulz


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:54:10 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Carbs ??

you didn't say what you wanted from your engine (performance - use etc) but
from the cam you listed and the C.R. i would say a mild street motor for
daily driving with a bottom to midrange power curve. what you have there
is a motor that will build a lot of torque at the bottom with a HP peak at
about the 4500 mark and maxing out at under 6000 rpm (max. usable power

a 600 cfm carb will feed this motor with no problems. this engine will
also be able to breath heavy enough for a 750 cfm carb.

i had a 600 on mine at one time and still could turn 6500 rpms no problem.
when i put an old carter (i think it was) on it with mechanical
secondaries (780 cfm i think) it bogged at the bottom, but ran alot harder
from 3000 rpm and up. it bogged because the secondaries opened way to

if you have any concerns for gas mileage, a 600 will do well. if power is
your only concern, a 750 will have more grunt. as far as throttle responce
is concerned, it is hard to overcarburate a big block ford. many of the
musclecar era motors came factory with more carb than a 600. and you have
good compression, a little better than stock intake and a cam size very
close to engines from that time.

used holley carbs are a dime a dozen. the 600 cfm 4160 type is all over.
you may be able to find a used one, and even pay for a rebuild for less
than new. 4160 carbs are by many people considered 2nd rate carbs. the
price in summit is good though. the other square bore carbs are just as
good, or better. but they can't be had new for the price of that 4160.

note, that the 4160 does not have the ability to change jets. but they can
be converted to 4150 models.


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From: Brian & Jacque[]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 8:53 PM
Subject: Carbs ??

Hello Again..

I was looking for input on a carb. Summit has a Holley 4160 for a
special (?) price they say of $174.95. Its a 600cfm with ford kickdown
4 barrel, single inlet fuel bowls, electric choke.
The application would be for my 460, bored .030, 10:5 to 1 pistons
edelbroke performer (yes I know about the spelling) crane cam... intake
at .050 204/479 exhaust at .050 214/504... headers I'm still
searching for. would this carb do the job ??

Thanks for your thoughts..


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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:03:45 -0500
From: Barry Price
Subject: Re: F100 Nationals Booth

Ken, my family of 5 already has plans to be at the Nationals this year,
please count us in on a picnic.

Ken Payne wrote:

> Good News!
> Peggy and I have been able to get a booth at the Pigeon Forge
> F100 Nationals this May! We're organizing a group picnic and
> we need to get an idea of how many people plan on being there.
> Event information is on the web site. If you plan on being
> at this show (which is the largest F-series show) let us know
> so we can get a guesstimated head count for a picnic site.
> Ken Payne
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:18:33 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: Dana 44 update II and Frame Painting

Gary (and all):

Thanks for the update. I was wondering if you used a needle gun, or the
needle scaler attachment to an air hammer? I have to clean up and paint my
frame. When I get my replacement bed from Texas (hopefully in a few weeks)
I'd like to do this.
I thought a good way might be 1) use degreaser/scraper 2) needle gun 4)

I also thought I might ask you guys for some input on paint (rather than
Is Dupont Emron a good choice, or what might be good.


Mike R


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:04:35 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Tailgate Latch

>Yeah, on my 77 F150 there is a plastic clip. Mine broke too -----snip-----
>He went inside, grabbed a tiny plastic part, and installed it in less than
>seconds. I don't believe that I have ever seen one in a parts store

NAPA has this part for about 75 cents and I would be surprised if others
didn't. Just ask for the tailgate rod clips. Change both sides while
you're at it. I did one on mine and within two months I was back at NAPA
looking for another one after the other side broke too.


Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:43 -0500
Subject: Disc brake 9" rear end

Was nosing around in our local salvage yard Saturday. Noticed the
following: Mark V Lincoln Continental with complete disc brake rear
end. Engine is missing, but rear end is intact. Is 9" and rotor on
right side needs turning. Left side I did not notice condition, but it
was there. I'm located in N. Al, 2miles East of I-65, and 1 mile S of
Tn. line. if anyone is interested, I'll try to get a price.



Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:18:04 EST
From: Firrer
Subject: Re: Tailgate Latch

its a little piece of plastic that looks like a carb llinkage ubt its not
good old fomoco parts has em in stock all the time


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:18:04 EST
From: Firrer
Subject: Re: Tailgate Latch

its a little piece of plastic that looks like a carb llinkage ubt its not
good old fomoco parts has em in stock all the time


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:09:08 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: FE intake blues

Hi gang!
Well I'm starting on my '76 F350 and one of the things I wanted to do
was install an aftermarket intake and carburetor. I e-mailed my good friend
and fellow list member Steve Delanty about the Edelbrock intake. I know he
had problems with his and I've also read of others having trouble with
theirs, but the 50 state legal was still a selling point that made it worth
looking into. Unfortunately my truck has an EGR and Edelbrock intakes are
not EGR equipped. I would thank Steve for this valuable information but he
seemed to enjoy giving it to me so much, I feel the enjoyment he received is
thanks enough. :)
Before I give in to disappointment, I wish to ask the list if they know
of an aftermarket intake / carburetor combination that is CARB approved for
an FE360 with EGR and smog pump. No cats.

Deacon Blues
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:49:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Rear Brakes

I can't say for sure about the hub that I bought, but the A38 bearings that are
called for for my application fit the new hub perfectly. My axle is a Dana 60
for sure ( rebuilt 1 year ago ) we will see this saturday, they are going to
pull the original hud and then we can compare. They changed their story when I
went back tuesday saying that the ID of the bearing was too big for the spindle.
( Funny the A38 bearing has an ID of 2" and the spindle has an OD of 2" seems
like it will fit to me.) Rather then the the bearing being too small for the
hub. We will see!

Anyone had any similar experiences?


P.S. I was too nice at the brake store :-(


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:12:44 -0800
Subject: Re: wrote:
> >Sometime next millennium ;-)
> But the next millenium is only 2 years away.

Sorry its 3 years away!!!

I don't want to do this but it has become my latest pet peeve.

Millennium has 2 "l"s and 2 "n" and starts 12:00 am January 1st 2001

There was never a year zero there was 1 BC and 1 AD but no "0"

2 Flame suits on!!!!!!!


I put in my passenger side door seal what a sticky job!!!
How long does the seal stay so thick that you have to slam the door to shut it?



Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:11:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: test

Server not responding... test.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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