fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 085

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In this issue:

Re: 71 Resto update [Tyler Wilkins ]
Re: '78 F250- Good deal? ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Recommended Books ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: '65-'66 interior.. ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: Ranchero a car? ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #82 ["Dennis K. Austin"
Re: Performance List?????? ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
"M" Engine Heads ["Chris Samuel" ]
Dennis why are the parking lots at Donut World so SMALL ?!!!....... ["A]
Re: '78 F250- Good deal? ["Deacon" ]



Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:00:06 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 71 Resto update

>You guys said the NP 435 was heavy, You are correct!!

Been there, first time I tried to lift mine out of the '73 2 years ago
it ended up on the floor! Ouch! Just missed my toes.......

>I haven't checked on the avg. cost of a blast job.......any ideas on what would be a >reasonable price?

I had my '73 blasted last winter, it ran me $175. I had done all the
grease and oil removal, which was required by the shop owner. I must
admit too they did a great job, my frame was pretty ugly.

Tyler Wilkins

'73 F-250 4x4 360, NP 435, 33"


Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:14:52 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: '78 F250- Good deal?

Last fall I paid $3200 for a 79 F250 Ranger with the same drivetrain and
half again that many miles and I'm happy with the deal I got. Mine has a
matching camper shell, bed kit and custom wheels. Be sure to check the 4wd
system. The first thing I had to do was replace a front hub. I live in the
Pacific Northwest so rust isn't a major issue. There isn't any to speak of
on my truck

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> From: Rob Patelke
> To:
> Subject: '78 F250- Good deal?
> Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 3:26 PM
> Hello list,
> You have been helpful in the past, and I need some opinions/advice again.
> I've finally found an F250 in pretty good shape. It's got a 400 ci
> pt transfer case, auto trans; only 78,000 original miles (He says). Body
> good, the only rust is at the bottom rear of the left front fender, and
> there are a few small dings and dents here and there (It is 20 years old,
> after all). New interior, new bottom end gaskets and seals, recent
> Seems to run well, no weird knocking or tapping noises. It tracks welland
> doesn't pulll when the brakes were hit.
> Is it worth anything close to his $3,000 asking price? I'm sorely tempted
> after comparing it to some of the even more expensive junk I've looked at
> recently. I realize that prices will vary by areas, and will take that
> consideration with you opinions.
> Thanks for your time and thoughts,
> Rob
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:46:16 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Recommended Books

This weekend I found a book that many of our newbies might want to get.
Its the "FORD PICK-UPS & BRONCO 1973 thru 1979, 2WD and 4WD,
Six-cylinder inline & V8 models F-100 thru F-350, Automotive Repair
Manual". This is published by Haynes, the ISBN is 0 85696 788 2,
Catalog 36054(788). It is noted with "Every Manual Based On A Complete
Teardown and Rebuild".

I bought it because it had the bolt torque info laid out for everything
in the beginning of each section. More importantly it had 35 double
sided pages of wiring diagrams.

It only cost me $12.00 for 304 pages. I found it to be better than

- -=DENNIS=-
> - -------------
> Original Text
> >From Ken Payne , on 2/7/98 8:37 PM:
> To: , ,
> , ,
> List member Sleddog made a suggestion to
> that we put up a list of recommended books on the web site.
> I think this is a fantastic idea.
> I'm going to start out with:
> How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines, by Steve Christ
> Ford Trucks Since 1905, by James K. Wagner
> If anyone has any recommendations email them to me
> ( with a one paragraph description.
> Books do not have to be technical (Ford Trucks Since 1905
> is a historical book).
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:57:35 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: '65-'66 interior..

My '65 has some big speakers mounted in the door panels. Also, I have
bucket seats from something. New seat brackets had been welded in to
accomodate this conversion. I bought it this way. Now if I could just
figure out how to gap that big space between the buckets.....

- -=DENNIS=-
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:21:55 -0600 (CST)
> From: Jesus Cardoso
> Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100
> I have been considering removing the metal door panel on my '63 and
> replacing it with custom built speaker panels. I am not sure if your 66
> has the panel that I am refering to, my 63 is a plane-jane truck without
> the Custom Cab option. Has anyone else done this before? I have seen
> another 63 with a 6x9 on each door mounted on custom built panels.
> On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Keith Srb wrote:
> Date: Sun,


Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:03:09 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Ranchero a car?

Sorry to tell you this, but in many states a Ranchero is a truck. Its
taxed a truck and licensed in many states as a truck. Also, when
introduced Ford included it in the truck line up. Although, we can
argue this point until blue...legally its a truck. If you search the
web you will find some Ranchero clubs that can answer your most detailed
questions for your brother.

- -=DENNIS=-


Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:06:54 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #82

A new JC Whitney catalog came today for Pickup trucks. It had a black
headliner that had 4 speaker mounts in it. It said '67 and up. Perhaps
somebody can tell us if the headliner size in the '67 was the same for
'63 through '66?

- -=DENNIS=-
> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:13:56 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: where to put speakers in 66F100
> Speakers in a 61-66 truck can be a problem. Currently I have 6x9's
> located in the removable door panels. If you have the door pocket
> option this could be a problem. If you used smaller speakers you could
> mount them in the upper cab areas just to the sides of the rear window,
> but you will have one right in your ear.
> As someone said earlier they mounted a set under the dash pointing
> down. I recently saw this in a jeep and it worked and looked good.
> Well not seeing them was also a plus. I would like to add some speakers
> maybe under the seat if possible.
> speaking of seats, does anyone know of a good set of buckets that will
> fit in a 63 with little modification. I dont' really want to spend $500
> to 700 for a new set if I can find a good P-N-P set for less.
> - --
> Don Grossman


Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:30:14 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Performance List??????


A while back I heard a mention of a performance oriented list. Don't
remember if it was here or during the anniversary chat party. What's the

dale c


Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:38:34 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: "M" Engine Heads

Having built several 351/400M engines over the last 7 or so years, I have
come to some conclusions:

First, always have the Heads "Mag'd" after they are removed from the
engine for any reason; and before you do anything to them. These Heads are
"thin wall" castings. They crack, and become junk when they do so.
Personally I will not even start to machine "M" Heads with out Mag'en them
first; but hey that's just me!

Second if you intend to make over about 380 or so Horsepower, or use
Nitrous, or a Blower of any kind, or abuse the engine on a regular basis
don't waste you money on the "M" Heads; it really hurts to stuff $1800 in
to a set of heads and have them crack under pressure. Go get the 2 BBL
(not 4BBL)Cleveland Heads and use them as your starting point. They are
mechanically the same except that the casting is heavier where it counts and
the alloy is different; consequently they don't crack (as easily). Finding
a good set of 2BBL Cleve. Heads is generally easier then finding a good set
of "M" Heads around here, though the do cost slightly more.

Just my experience...
79 Bronco 400M


Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:38:45 -0800
From: "Admiral J.R.E. Mc Kenzie"
Subject: Dennis why are the parking lots at Donut World so SMALL ?!!!.......

Attention All Ford Hans on Deck!!!...

Dennis Great message on Ranchero's and Ranchero State registration!

Well Gentlmen, Ladys, Boys,& Girls ( and you to Dennis ) some
Ranchero facts ( not to be quoted on everyone as my information source may
NOT be 100% correct okay ), the complete production numbers ( as close as I
can find ) are 492,266 Ranchero's in thier Twenty Two years of production.
Is that correct, suggesations perhaps? ( May I bow now?! ), and in 1973
Henry's little boys made us Men 45,741 Ranchero toys!

My " El Ranchero " is a 1975 which is fine I thought she had a 400 "
UNTILL " I checked Her VIN codes, and felt overlly stupid ( which is normal
for me ), then " OVERWHELMED!!!! As " El Ranchero " has a beautifully & Very
Powerful 460 rahter than a 400!!! Stunned shocked, & Surprised, slightly so
said silly stupidly!!! Any one like a copy of the production figures e mail
me and I'll send them off to you, every year and model as well. Please don't
ask me why I do these things I just do so accept it okay?!!!...

Issue Two sliding rear window bet you thought an easy one well....
for my 1975 " El Ranchero ", Yah fooled you!!! Canpopy also would be nice to
locate? I'm also on the hunt for a pair of doors with little rust ( shall we
leave the door on that one ), chrome trim for the upper box is another item
I'm looking for... You know these foolish fords really frustrate me,
something along those lines?!!!! Ralley wheels anyone set of four would be
devine, three welcome and fine, two would make me search more in time, one
still would be less to look for and save me time?

It's now 01:45 and time to head off to the " Goats Rack ", so please
keep your eyes open if you located ANY of those items please e mail me
directly, and I'll respond A- SAP! I check my messages several times per day.

Mc Kenzie ( Ret.)
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:53:45 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: '78 F250- Good deal?

From: Rob Patelke
>Is it worth anything close to his $3,000 asking price?

The Kelley Blue Book is online at It will give you
the value by zip code. It only goes back to 1978.

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