Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:50:23 -0700 (MST)
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fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 185

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In this issue:

Re: 2100/2150 carbs []
Re: percolating carb [sdelanty ]
RE: Whiter whites, brighter brights! [sdelanty ]
Re: Whiter whites, brighter brights! [sdelanty ]
Re: Power Steering ["Dean A. Noland" ]
RE: Question for 68 Owners [DC Beatty ]
FE Bypass Hose (Was Water Pump) [Pat Brown ]
Re: power steering [Ractrk002 ]
Re: power steering [Ractrk002 ]
Re: percolating carb [John MacNamara ]
Re: Yay Ken. was screen intake gaskets ["Deacon" ]
Re: Atomization ["Harry Jennings" ]
Re: screen intake gaskets [sbest ]
Good Web Sites for Info on Ford V8s and Top Loaders ["Harry Jennings"



Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:25:45 -0800
Subject: Re: 2100/2150 carbs

Dave Resch wrote:
> It is purported to be rated at 369 cfm

Remember 2V CFM is not the same as 4V CFM they are measured at different
pressures. ( or something like that )



Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:24:38 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: percolating carb

I had the same "hard to start when hot" problem when I put the
edelbrock carb on my 390. I had to do 2 things to fix it...
First was to put a plastic insulator block under the carb.
I already have an aluminum spacer block for PCV under my carb,
and since the plastic spacer block is about 3/4" thick I had to
use longer carb studs.
The insulating spacer really helped a lot, but still sometimes it
was reluctant to start after a good hot soak.
The second thing I did was install a fuel pressure regulator.
The edelbrock book recommends NO more than 6psi of fuel pressure
at idle and my fuel pump was putting out closer to 9 psi...
Since the fuel pump diaghram is spring loaded and fuel pressure
can remain long after the motor is stopped, I think the excess
pressure was flooding the carb when stopped. Probably during hot
soak the fuel expanded in the line and caused enough pressure to
force the float needles open and overfill the float bowls.
I put a fuel pressure regulator in the line before the carb and set
it at 5 psi and I haven't had any trouble since.
It always starts in 1-3 seconds now regardless of conditions...


I love deadlines. I especially like the
whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:24:42 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: RE: Whiter whites, brighter brights!

>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:40:51 -0800
>From: "Gillespie, John D."
>Subject: RE: Whiter whites, brighter brights!
>Steve, do you have any wiring diagrams/parts list to go with your new
>Whiter lights. Inquiring minds want to know and possibly, coulda,
>woulda, will....

I was afraid that would happen when I brought the subject up.. (-:
I'll try and get something drawn up in the next day or 2 and I'll
offer it up to the list when it's done. It's real simple.
Stay tuned...


I love deadlines. I especially like the
whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:24:44 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Whiter whites, brighter brights!

>Way to go Steve.
> I just put in halogen bulbs a while back and they made a little
>I was thinking of taking it one step further. Since my truck is going
>to see more and more off road as the years go by I wanted to put in a
>diode or some such piece to allow the low side to be on and when I hit
>the Hi there beams It would also keep the lows lit.
>Should I go diode or capacitor?

You could use a diode to do it, but it would need to be on a
heatsink and You lose about 0.7 volts across the diode junction...
The easiest thing would be to put a switch on the dash and connect
one side of Your switch to the wire that's the "hot" side of the
dimmer switch and the other side to the "low beam" side of the
dimmer switch. That way You can force the low beams on anytime the
headlights are on, or disable the feature with flip of switch.
High beams still work normally...


I love deadlines. I especially like the
whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:44:38 -0500
From: "Dean A. Noland"
Subject: Re: Power Steering

I am looking for any information on converting my manual steering to
power steering. There are two types of steering gears, a Bendix, and a
Ford. I have been told that I can switch out my 69' manual (Ford) gear
with a power (Bendix) with out switching the column. But, I have also
heard that regardless of the gear used, the column has to be switched
out. Any help on this would be great!


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:58:23 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Question for 68 Owners

Joe. '67 owner here but that's ok. =

I refer to the Ford Pickup Red Book, page 106. According to this they
started sticking them to the window in '69, so I assume this means that
prior years were all screwed to the window frame. Though, now that I thin=
about it, I had a '68 Ranchero for a time and it had the mirror stuck to
the window, but that was more Fairlane than truck. =

Hope this helps, =

Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

Fordguy wrote:

mirror was mounted in 68..Some say the windshield other on the visor
mount like the 67's????
I would like to here from the other 68 owners
- -- =

Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
1970 F-250 4x4 390 Np435 The Beast >> =


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:38:23 -0800
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FE Bypass Hose (Was Water Pump)

Hello Everyone,

Someone gave Jim excellent advise about the bypass hose, it is
really tough to put one on after the pump is installed.

When I worked in a garage (a long, long time ago), the first time
I changed one my boss let me sweat and cuss for a while. Then he
wandered over with a hacksaw, and cut one of the nipples (can't
remember which) to be about 3/4 inch long. He then took the hose,
spread a little antifreeze inside, folded the hose and popped in
on. Took him all of a minute.

The down side? Well, since you're cutting the flare(?) off
the nipple, the hose _could_ pop off under high pressure conditions.
But, I've never seen it happen. My 360 has had a shortened nipple
on it for about 10 years now, I haven't had any problems. Make
sure you use antifreeze, not grease. Grease will remain slippery
forever, compounding the pop-off danger.

This has got to be the most carefully worded post I have ever made:-)

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:27:21 EST
From: Ractrk002
Subject: Re: power steering

The brakes a fairly new as well as the cylinders, springs and all that stuff


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:31:54 EST
From: Ractrk002
Subject: Re: power steering

It happens on any surface regardless, The brakes a fairly new as well as the
cylinders, springs and all that stuff


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:39:35 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: percolating carb

Don Grossman wrote:

> Would an electric fuel pump help solve the problem and are they
> reliable?

Don: The electric fuel pump will definitely solve the vapor locking
problem. I have been running them for over 10 years on my 460's with no
failures. In fact my 1st 78 wouldn't run for more than 5 minutes
without the electric fuel pump on. It was wired to a switch. Now all I
have is an electric with no mechanical installed.



Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:55:59 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Yay Ken. was screen intake gaskets

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Samuel
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 7:05 PM
Subject: Yay Ken. was screen intake gaskets

>WOW! Ken.
>Make a positive statement about Carbs, AND a correct yet slightly
>statement about FI in the full view of the EFI Cult.
>Make a truthful statement about the screened gasket concept causing a
>Restriction to air flow.

There is a hemispherical screen that goes after the air cleaner that
works on turbulent air. I have them on my GoldWings carburetors and they
are on the newer Mustangs FI. I'm sure they are used on other makes and
models, but I only know of these two. I hope someone can give a better
description on how these hemispherical screens work.
A screen after the carburetor IMHO would have an opposite action
than the claims. With the fuel atomized wouldn't it collect on the
screen forming droplets?
"The advantage of FI is the metering, not the level of atomization."
Isn't negative at all. It's a truthful statement on the advantage of FI.
I wouldn't want to know how he found out just how restrictive
blowing through panty hose can be! :)

>With only the Truth and Asbestos underwear for a shield!!

Just wait until my friend and neighbor Robert Harris gets on a roll!
He has been known to heat test asbestos underwear (he has another term
for them) :)

>So brave, so bright, so right!
>Your my hero, even though your not driving for the SCORE Factory Ford
>for millions and millions! Work on that would ya!

My list of Heroes is getting far too long. I really must set some
standards. Starting with PeeWee Herman, it's hard to set a standard! Oh
well, guess I'll need to live with a long list. I agree with you Chris,
Ken speaks his mind.

PeeWee made my all time Hero of Heroes list at the American Music
Awards with his opening line "Heard any good jokes lately?" Sure killed
the whispering in a heartbeat!

Deacon Blues
Truckin' , I'm a goin' home,
Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong,
Back home, sit down and patch my bones
And git back truckin' on.
Visit The Deacon Blues Homepage


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:32:48 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: Atomization

>Don't want to start a flame war but carbs don't have any problem
>atomizing gas completely.

Yep, that is true!

>The advantage of FI is the metering, not the level of atomization.

Again, yes. However, unlike Chris made it sound, FI is as good at least
as a carb at atomization. However, since a carb has a wet intake it
allows the fuel to "clump up" by the time the fuel goes through the
valves. I believe this is where the screen may help. This is also where
FI gets another advantage. With a dry intake FI enables the fuel to stay
atomized. Of course, if you limit yourself to TBI, you are right. The
biggest benefit is the better fuel control.

>IMHO, a screen won't make much difference. If anything, its a huge >air

A restriction? Sure! But so are smaller headers. Most torque guys know
that smaller header tube are better for low-end torque. I am sure the
same theory applies to the screen. I remember reading an article some
time ago on them. It looked good (really gode for a street engine). But
I have to wonder why they are not more popular!?





Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:08:06 -0400
From: sbest
Subject: Re: screen intake gaskets

>of atomization. IMHO, a screen won't make much difference. If anything,
>its a huge air restriction. Get a piece of panty hose (I'm gonna catch hell
>for this one) and
>blowing through it. Without a doubt, it causes restriction.
>I'm of the opinion, that if it really doesn't cost any more,
>then why didn't auto makers put them in? Heck, it would be
>"free" mpg, hp, etc.
>Asbestos underwear now on...
>Ken :-)

Well I tried it, I blew and there was a lot of restriction.
"What are you doing?" My wife asked.
"Science!" I replied.
"Welll... don't stop then" she admonished...

Steve Best, Nova Scotia,
6.9 litre diesel Ford van, full-time 4 wheel drive
"Hang on kids, we're going through..."
4 wheel drive van page:
Tire chains, camping gear, tools and first aid stuff too...


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:47:25 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Good Web Sites for Info on Ford V8s and Top Loaders

Hello all,

I found these site on the Internet tonight. Sorry if they
have been posted before. I haven't checked them out yet,
but they looked good at a glance.



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