fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, February 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 106

Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks Digest
Visit our web site:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
To unsubscribe, send email to:
with the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. For help, send
email to the same address with the word "help" in the body of the
In this issue:

Re: EGR (was 460 timing) []
Re: Unibody any Body []
Re: Engine swap [ (George Schott)]
test post []
test post []
Re: '73 grill for a '79 ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: Unibody any Body ["Blackthorn Group, Inc." ]
Differential info []
351M/400 Water leaks--cracked heads []
351M/400 Water leaks--cracked block []
Mitchell Interchange Manual [Keith Srb ]
Body Qestions [Tony Marino ]
Re: Body Qestions []
Torque specs on 1978 Ford 460 engine [dave yerema ]



Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 03:22:05 -0800
Subject: Re: EGR (was 460 timing)

sdelanty wrote:

> On Thu. Feb 19 Rick Brewster wrote: (in part)
> >> >> At part throttle applications, diluting the
> >> >> air/fuel mixture with O2 depleted air (exhaust gases) reduces the
> >> >> amount of available oxygen.

> Great! It sounds like You're the perfect one to help me understand if You
> would be so kind!
> The short course would be fine...
> Do You have any paperwork You've written on the subject You could share
> with me?
> Thanks much!
> Steve
> "Remember, with lunacy comes responsibility;
> we have a duty to make life at least a little more
> surreal for those whose lives make too much sense."
> -- Trygve Lode

It appears that much of what we are confused on here is an issue of words
(semantics) not concepts. With that in mind, let me re-read what I posted and what
you answered to be sure that the problem is related to the actual issue and not due
to a misunderstanding of terminology. It is 3 am where I am, and the end of a
loooong day. I will look at what we both are saying and respond when I am a little
more alert.

There is no one more embarrassed than a self-styled "guru" who has mis-stated or
didn't address the question as asked. Have been there before and will probably do it

Rick Brewster
73 F-100, 460 by Lincoln


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 03:28:15 -0800
Subject: Re: Unibody any Body

Don Grossman wrote:

> Just when you think you have seen them all.
> While crusin through the valley the other day and wat do I see, a Ford
> truck.
> >From the road it looks like your typical 61-66 longbed. But no, it's a
> unibody, ok 61 grill, cool. F250? Did they make a 3/4 ton unibody?
> Well obviously, since I just saw one, but this is the first 3/4 ton that
> I have seen. I thought all the unibodys were F-100's
> Anybody know howmany F-250 unibody's were made?
> --
> Don Grossman

A uni-body oh man, they gotta be rare, that sucker has to be
worth just about any price even if it didnt run, if the body is straight or
at least repairable.

"Honey, did you REALLY want to spend the money to see your mother this

Rick Brewster
73 F-100, 460 by Lincoln


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 07:51:08 -0500
From: (George Schott)
Subject: Re: Engine swap

The truck is 2 wd. The motor sits too far front it's not lining up with
the clutch pivot point that hooks up to the block nor does it line up
with the trans. mount. there are two holes side by side on the frame for
the trans. mount but the second one would move the mount back instead of
forward. the drive shaft is also too short the distances for all of
these is about 2.5 inches. I did get the mounts from a 67-72 truck with
a 302 and they bolted up to the holes in the frame fine but the motor
sits forward 2.5 inches and also the front of the motor sits up higher
than the rear of the motor. Are there shims to put between the trans.
and trans. mounts? I have seen a picture of the trans. mount and mine is
the same. Thanks for any help.

Fine 69


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:27:29 -0800
Subject: test post

- --------------1D5E0DAAB0509E40EA3F1000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



- --------------1D5E0DAAB0509E40EA3F1000
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



- --------------1D5E0DAAB0509E40EA3F1000--


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:28:57 -0800
Subject: test post




Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:56:12 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: '73 grill for a '79

>> I just changed the grill shell on my '79.

>This job can be made a lot easier by removing the side marker lights
>and reaching through the holes with a socket and long extension to get the
>upper bolts.
>Tom Shay 1978 F-100 2wd 351W 1979 Bronco 351M

In retrospect, that is so obvious that I feel stupid.....oh well, not the
first time and not the last.
Thanks for a great tip, it'll come in handy later when the fenders finally
need to be replaced.

dale c.
'79 f-150


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:03:33 -0700
From: "Blackthorn Group, Inc."
Subject: Re: Unibody any Body

I have a '61, F250 Unibody (Styleside) truck. It's a 292 Y-block with three
on the tree. It has the heavy Spicer rear end and 8 lug wheels.

Anybody know if this truck is worth anything? I'm in a quandry about
whether to go deep into resto or to hold back. Is it rare? How many were
made? What's it worth guys?



Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:09:58 EST
Subject: Differential info

Thanks to all who shared their two cents on whether or not I should tackle
changing differential gearing myself. I think you successfully talked me out
of it and will leave it to a local pro that came highly recommended.

Before I give him a call, I'd like to tell him exactly what I have. Here are
the numbers on the tag. I know its a 3.73, but can you help me with the rest
of the numbers?

3-73 D3TA ADA
603381 6-1-S

As always, help from you guys (and gals) is certainly appreciated.


73 F250 Ranger XLT Camper Special


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:09:42 EST
Subject: 351M/400 Water leaks--cracked heads

I am new to the Ford list and have seen several posts regarding this subject
and this info may be late for your use but for what it's worth---
This info is from "How to rebuild your Ford V8 351C - 351M - 400 - 429 - 460
" by Tom Monroe , published by HPBooks.
The 351M/400 block was cast at either the Michigan Casting Center or the
Cleveland Foundry. Those cast at Michigan Casting Center prior to March 2
,1977 experienced water jacket cracking problems immediately above the lifter
bores due to an internal coring problem. The cracks will be horizontal and
approximately one inch above the top of the lifter bores.To determine if a
block may have the problem, look for the casting code. The magic date is March
1 1977, or in code form 7C01.This has to be cross-referenced with the casting
code CF for the Cleveland Foundry and MCC for the Michigan Casting
Center.These codes are located on top rear of the block next to the oil
pressure sending unit hole. If the block in question has a 7C01 or earlier
date code and the MCC code - M above two C's -one inside the other- look
closely for cracks.
This is a really good reference book - should be available at most auto parts
Good luck!!
77 F100 Custom Cab, Lwb, 351M, C6

- ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:20:40 EST
Subject: 351M/400 Water leaks--cracked block

My original post should have read on subject line - cracked block instead of
cracked head. Hope this did not create any confusion.


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:26:38 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Mitchell Interchange Manual

I have the chance to get a Mitchell Interchange book that covers 71-80 for

Can any one tell me anything about this book ??

Is it worth $75.00 ??

Thanks !!

Keith Srb
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"


Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 23:16:51 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Body Qestions

Big Questions Guys!

I have a 78 F-250 4x4 that I have the rolling chassis restored on. Its
come to the point of putting the body on it and I don't know what year
to go with! The original is totally shot, so my question is,

What bodies of what year ranges will directly mount to the frame? What
about wheelbase? I think the 67-96's are all the same, but what about
older? I don't really want to do fab-work to run the
steering/clutch/body mounts so whattya think?

Thanks in advance!

Tony Marino


Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:05:06 EST
Subject: Re: Body Qestions

In a message dated 98-02-22 23:16:48 EST, you write:

personally i would keep with the 73 to the 79 style because the older versoin
is 67 to 72 the rear body does not line up correctly the body will sit
noticely lower unles you shim the body and redrill a couple of holes the
cab mounts i am unsure of

i hope this will help you


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:14:07 -0800
From: dave yerema
Subject: Torque specs on 1978 Ford 460 engine


I need to know the torque specs for the main crank bolts and oil pump bolts
(if applicable)....also is there any need to loctite any of these bolts.

Also if there is anyone out there with tips on how to swap out a 360 from a
1970 F-250 crew cab 4X4 to a 1978 460, I would appreciate the help.




End of fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #106

Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979
Visit our web site:
ENDTAG; } ?>