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Subject: fordtrucks61-79-digest V1 #376

fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, December 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 376

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In this issue:

Steering gear rebuilders/info [Ethan Emeson ]
Re: Is it a '64? '65? '66? []
Re: 1969 f350 []
Re: Ford Red Book [Barry Price ]
Re: Is it a '64? '65? '66? [Barry Price ]
RE square headlights and 1978 ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: RE square headlights and 1978 []
Re: Is it a '64? '65? '66? []
Site for Vin Checking []
Re: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions [Ken Payne ]
Weird speedo problem ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]
Re: cacinfo email requests [Ken Payne ]
Re: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions []
Re: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions []
Re: Differnce between Durasparks I&II []
Re: Weird speedo problem []



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:47:18 -0800
From: Ethan Emeson
Subject: Steering gear rebuilders/info

Anyone point me towards a good rebuilder for my manual steering box
(preferably in the Seattle area, but willing to ship otherwise).

Truck is a '65 F100 body slapped on a '65ish 3/4-ton 4X4 chassis, but I
still haven't figured out what the steering gear is from exactly...

Alternatively, any advice/info on rebuilding the thing myself?
I've been told there's typically a large brass bushing that needs
replacing- know of any sources for these?



Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:59:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Is it a '64? '65? '66?

In a message dated 97-12-02 10:15:30 EST, you write:

came on some '66 models but I personally have never seen one >>

My '66 has a round speedo. The Custom Cab used the wide gauges


Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:32:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 1969 f350

According to the owners manual for my 66f100 the round speedo came with the
standard cab model and the oblong with the custom cab. This may apply to your
65 as well. Mike B.


Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:01:27 -0500
From: Barry Price
Subject: Re: Ford Red Book


I think thats where I ordered mine from.



> >> I kinda got the last of the posts about this "Red Book"
> >>
> >> What is it?
> >
> >Little book to help decode vin's on ford trucks, 46 - 77. Decodes
> >things like options, engines, trannys, colors etc..
> >
> >ISBN# 0-87938-789-0
> >
> >Motorbooks International
> > Ford Pickup
> > Red Book
> >
> >By Peter C. Sessler
> >
> >I know where compressors get their air, it gets
> >sucked out of the NEIGHBOR'S electric lines :-)
> >
> >-- Gary --
> Gary,
> And were do I find this little marvel of the printed texted?
> thanks
> dopie
> parts chimip by trade
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:03:23 -0500
From: Barry Price
Subject: Re: Is it a '64? '65? '66?

I agree, whoever told you that is full of it. I have a 1965 pickup with
a round speedometer. I was with my dad when he purchased it.

John Strauss wrote:

> >I have a 1965 Ford stepside pickup, or at least I thought I did.
> >
> >Today while visiting a restorer's heaven (junk yard), I was told that
> I
> >had a 64 or 66, but not a 65!! 1965 was the year that I got married
> and I
> want >a 65!!!
> >
> >The speedometer cluster in my truck is round and I was told that the
> >cluster in a 65 is oblong, 64 and 66 are round.
> >
> Whoever told you this needs to stick to GM products. The 1964 had the
> round speedo only. 1965 had either, depending on trim level. If
> yours is
> not a CC, then round is probably correct. I have been told the round
> also
> came on some '66 models but I personally have never seen one. Also if
> your
> truck has Twin-I-Beam then it is not a '64 unless somebody has done
> some
> pretty heavy swapping which I doubt.
> >I need help to make sure, is there any way yall could tell from the
> vin?
> >
> Sure. Email it to me and I'll decode it no prob.
> _
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:05:42 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE square headlights and 1978

Hey you're right!!! I looked at the pictorial in the
page and there are several 78s featured. Some have round and some have
square headlights. And it was there all the time!!!! ;0)

So then was the two piece, 6 hole, blacked out grill an all 77 part or
did it depend on trim level??

BTW Ken GREAT mods to the page. And thanks for putting the link to the
acronym definitions!! If anyone has been lurking (I did for 4 months to
get IMHO) trying to figure out what GD&R, AFAIK, INAL, IYKWIMAITYD,
LOL, TPTB, ROTFL, or SPAM mean check out the FAQ section and follow the
link to acronyms then non-technical acronyms.

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:20:54 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: RE square headlights and 1978

Hogan, Tom wrote:

> I thought that the square headlights went with the new one piece
> insert and that round headlights were with the older split plastic
> inserts.

Not true, on the 78's there is a plastic housing that fits into the
around the headlight and it can either accommodate a square on round
headlight. As previously stated, the 78's came with both round (early
models) and square(later models)


Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:14:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: RE square headlights and 1978

My 78 (that's what the title says) has round headlights. FYI


Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:50:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Is it a '64? '65? '66?

I have a book with vin ID's too, also if it has the stock grill, you could
tell from that.



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:48:35 -0800
Subject: Site for Vin Checking

Looking for the address somone posted about a site you can put in your
vin and it will decode it...I think it was a members site?
- --
Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future"


Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:44:32 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions

At 07:26 AM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Ken Payne wrote:
>> Also, I'm putting together a 67-79 disc brake upgrade FAQ.
>Could someone send me the URL to the above mentioned FAQ with the repair
>items in it I can't seem to find it!
>Thanks Dana

It's not finished yet. It should be on the site by this weekend.



Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:50:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Weird speedo problem

Well, I've got a relatively weird problem for those of you
mechanically inclined people out there. The speedo on my 1977 F150 stays
pegged at the max any time except for when I'm at a full stop. Normally
I'd think the speedo cale was messed up, but the odomoter isn't moving any
faster. :( Am I crazy? Or is my truck just REALLY fast... :) Any help
anybody can give is much appreciated. Next time a cop pulls me over and
asks if I know how fast I 'm going, I can just reply "About 100 mph.: :)
Of course, he might not appreciate the humor. HELP!

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkinshonors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...


Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:52:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: cacinfo email requests

- -snip-

>FYI, I tried emailing the to request build info for my
>1980 F250 a couple of months back, and here is the response I received:
>>Hello XXXXXX,
>>We have received your e-mail. At this time we are not equipped to
>>answer questions via the internet.
>>However, please contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at
>>1-800-392-3673 (FORD) or write to us at:
>> Ford Motor Company
>> Customer Assistance Center
>> 300 Renaissance Center
>> P.O. Box 43360
>> Detroit MI 48243
>>Thank you for contacting Ford.
>I was kinda bummed. Maybe they're understaffed. Maybe they're all busy
>answering questions about why the schmucks in Ford marketing/management
>won't offer a 4-valve DOHC 5.4L engine or at least an old pushrod 351W in a
>new Cobra Mustang so it would have a fighting chance going up against a
>cheesy C*maro or F*rebird that costs $10K less... but I digress.
>Dave R. (M-block devotee)

I guess I got lucky. I sent mine to them about 6 months ago and
got a build sheet.



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:55:08 -0800
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions

deacon wrote:
> Give him a chance Dana. Don't you know they have a lot and admin to do?
> Some people get into arguments with their providers and get kicked off. That
> makes Ken get a bunch of e-mail bounced back as undeliverable. Then the
> inconsiderate user hooks back up changing a couple letters in his user name
> and rejoins the list.
> So, did you miss me? :)
> Deacon Blues


I guess I missed your point and yes!



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:00:06 -0800
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions

Joe has talked about the Duraspark II install Instructions in the FAQ
section. So I thought it was in the Ford-Truck site. I thought I was
missing something!

Joe where is the FAQ you are talking about?



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:29:05 -0800
Subject: Re: Differnce between Durasparks I&II

In short, Duraspark I is a California only thing it offers higher spark
voltage or current or something like that.

Check the 4 prong plug, Duraspark I has a tabs at 3:00,5:00 and 9:00
and Duraspark II has tabs at 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 (or something like

I believe that the dist is the same for Duraspark I & II. Just make sure
that the wire colors on the dist and module are matched up correctly.

Also according to Auto-Tune Automotive which sells new modules there is
a Duraspark II module for 460s which gives 16 deg cranking retard, (VS.
3 or so for the standard unit)

Chiltons manuals have a pretty good description of the electronic
ignitions in Fords look in both the Truck and Automotive ones the info
in each is a little different info.



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:48:42 -0800
Subject: Re: Weird speedo problem

If memory serves me correctly, there are two round plates inside of the
speedometer. One is attached to the needle and one is attached to the
cable. As the cable one turns it induces a magnetic field in the needle
one causing it to turn a little. The faster the cable one turns the more
the needle one rotates. a spring returns the needle to 0 when the cable
one stops.

There is probably some grit or the two disks are touching.

Usually if the cable is the problem the needle will dance around the
speed you are going.

Good Luck



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