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61-79-list Digest Sat, 18 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 043

In This Issue:
Re: Thunder Trucks
Re: Highboy ID
Re: seat belts
61-64 Cab mounts ?
Something we might find interesting
ADMIN: Numerous web site updates!
Re: Thunder Trucks
460 Crank Question
Re: Thunder Trucks
Re: 460 Crank Question


Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:18:55 -0800
From: scott>
Subject: Hi-Boy

>>>>>>I just bought a new truck tonight, well new to me that is! It's a 1977 F250 4x4, GVRW 8100 lb, 4:10 limited slip rear end, 400 auto, np205. The manufacture date on the door pillar is 05/77. Is this truck a HighBoy,how can I tell?

One way is that a Hi-Boy has a crossmember under the front bumper.I
think yours is a little late in the model run to be a Hi-Boy tho..

>>>>>>What are the advantages/dissadvantages of the HighBoy?

Being as I own a 76 Hi-Boy I'll have to say they are just awesome trucks
in general.One disadvantage is the power assist stereing set-up.I plan
on someday
changing my steering to the late 77-78 set-up.

>>>>>I tell what front axle the truck has ...Dana 44 or 60...?

The rear end should be a 60.Compare the size of the pumpkins from the
front and rear differentials.A 44 is smaller.I have a 44 in mine and can
measure it if you like.With a 8100 gross you may have a 60.


Subject: Re: Thunder Trucks
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:35:04 -0800 (PST)

Alright Darrell! So how do we get to see this?

Mark in Southwest Washington
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


From: (Danny Ling)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:44:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Highboy ID

the highboys come with a 6 spring front leaf pack, and a 9 spring rear
leaf pack. I believe the highboys also were the only Fords avalible with
the large external locking hubs on the front axle. the NP 205 should
also be divoriced from the trans. (drive shaft running from transfer
case to transmission) Also highboys are very easily distinguished by
their uncommon "power assist" steering set up. they have a MANUAL
steering box with a controller in the drag link that senses which way
the wheels are being turned then a 2 way hydraulic cylender bolted to
the front axle (resembles a steering stabilizer with hydraulic lines
running to it) forces the tires to turn left or right.

Hope this helps ya.

Laters, Danny Ling


From: (Danny Ling)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:00:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: seat belts

James I have had a couple similar incidents. I pulled my OEM shoulder
belts out of my 77 F250 4X4 in favor of 5 point harneses for mud racing
and truck pulls. During day to day driving the just wear the lap portion
of it. I'm military and the MP's are post are REAL picky about wearing
seat belts and they have pulled me over a couple times for it. One even
told me I should be wearing the shoulder portion of it too. He says "if
the vehicle is equipped with it. you have to use it". They threw the
ticket out though when I fought it. Believe me a seasoned police office
is much more leanient than an 18 year old Pvt E-2 straight out of AIT.


Subject: 61-64 Cab mounts ?
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:06:01 -0500

Somebody (?) was asking about replacement cab mounts for a 61 Unibody. If
you only need the fronts they're available from a couple of places. Carolina
Classics has em as well as JC Whitney. I think Dennis Carpenter has them
too, but don't have a new Catalog. Somebody on here can point you in the
right direction though. All those places have new cab mount rubbers and
bolts too. About $60. Good luck, Phil ( 64 F-100, Farphrumfinish'd )


Subject: Something we might find interesting
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:40:25 -0600

Forwarded from the FE big-block forum at

Federal Mogul in distress -FE parts alert

posted by Jay-Mar 18 2000

FE enthusiasts are very dependent on Federal Mogul
Corp. for a variety of stock and high performance FE parts, readily
available and reasonably priced. For those who don't follow business news,
FM has been on an acquision binge for the past 2-3 years and has purchased
many familiar brand names in the OEM and service /performance marketplace
(eg. TRW,Fel-Pro, McCord, Sealed Power,Sterling and many other lesser known
but critical names in electrical, fuel management and body accessory
products.)During the acquisiton phase of the business plan, FM stock soared
and the company was a darling of Wall Street as well as dear to our hearts
for their products which support the FE engine family. FM now has serious
financal problems and the stock has tanked after several disappointing
earnings announcements (see Federal, investor relations, financial
The CEO and financial people have just announced the most sweeping
restructuring in company history
with the closure of 22 branch distribution facilities, closure of several
factories, elimination of many employees and "rationalization of product
The latter statement is code for serious restriction and/or elimination of
products.A patient and friend of mine is the local FM distribution branch
manager (a 30 year TRW now FM employee) and says many parts will initially
be harder to obtain, then higher in cost, and finally
discontinued...ostensibly because people don't want to wait, object to
higher prices
then finally don't order the items. In reality, the company is finding it
harder and harder to justify low volume/low profit experiences to support
engine families that have been discontinued for almost 25 years and a period
of financial distress is a strategic time to eliminate overlapping products,
sell off the laggards and discontinue the worst offenders. FE
and other older engine families presently supported by FM could suffer
serious consequences this time around. Stay alert and watch the new


Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:31:05 -0500
From: Ken Payne>
Subject: ADMIN: Numerous web site updates!

The following items have been added to the
Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site:

Two new tech articles:
"Notes on a Volare Front Clip Install On A 1953 F100"
"Building An NP 205 Transfer Case Cradle"

News articles:
-Ford Motor Company To Buy Land Rover From BMW, Expanding
Lineup Of Premium Brands
-2001 Ford Escape prices begin at $18,160
-Ford Explorer celebrates 10th anniversary

The pictorial has *many* additions! Its been a LONG time since
there was such a diverse addition. Note that these are pictorial
submissions through February 20th. Submissions after Feb 20th
will be added next weekend.

2000 Excursion
2000 F250 Superduty Crewcab
1999 F350 Superduty, frame up custom
1999 F350 Superduty 4x4 Crewcab
1996 F150 4x4
1986 F150 XL
1984 F150 XL
1979 Ranchero GT
1978 F150 Ranger
1977 F100
1976 F250
1972 F100
1971 F100 Ranger
1968 F250
1967 F100
1966 F100
1965 F100
1956 Mercury M100 Panel Delivery
1953 F100
1952 F1

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:36:03 EST
Subject: Re: Thunder Trucks

I got in touch with the guys that shot all the video, Im calling tomorrow to
get my own copy. When I do Im gonna find someone to put into comp format, so
I can share it with everyone. Im just as curious as the rest of you to see
what I looked like.

Darrell & Tweety


Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:38:45 GMT
Subject: Website

Hey guys my website is up if anyone wants to check it out.

its about my 78's let me know what you think, or what you would like to see.

David Wild
two 1978 f150's


From: "Luke Phillips">
Subject: 460 Crank Question
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:10:57 CST

Why did Ford have there cranks turned 0.010 from the factory? Thanks,

Luke Phillips
67 F100 shortbed 240 I6 (460 in the works!)


From: "Hogan, Tom">
Subject: Re: Thunder Trucks
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:18:51 -0800

> Well folks I did it! Tweety and I competed in a genuine
> thunder truck
> competition here in vegas last night. Im still tryin to see
> when it comes on
> tv, I gotta see this for myself.

Will it be on a network and which one?

Tom H


Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:58:07 -0500
From: Ken Payne>
Subject: ADMIN: WOW!

I just ran the Ford Truck Enthusiasts server logs for the first
time in several months. WOW!

A historical perspective: it took us slightly over 2 years
to reach 1 million visitors.

As of March, 2000, FTE is now receiving over 300,000 visitors
per month!

Expect **more** free services in the near future. We've added
the archive search, updated message board software (if you haven't
been by the message boards on the web site lately, you're missing
a large and rapidly growing community) and free web based mail so
far in March. We've got a few more items upcoming in the next
two weeks.

Thank you to everyone for making us a success!
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:01:52 -0800
From: Jason Derra>
Subject: Re: 460 Crank Question

.010 under from what? I don't think they ever did. 3.00" mains and 2.50"
rods since as far back as I can remember.

Luke Phillips wrote:

> Why did Ford have there cranks turned 0.010 from the factory? Thanks,
> Luke Phillips
> 67 F100 shortbed 240 I6 (460 in the works!)
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