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61-79-list Digest Fri, 14 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 159

In This Issue:
Re: Freon
Re: Nuts and Bolts
Re: Freon
Re: Courier
Re: 62 Unibody
1961 brakes & motor mounts
Courier Parts
convert to hydraulic clutch
' 66 352
Re: Freon
Re: Replacing U-joints
Freon Prices
Re: Replace u-joints
62 Unibody Update


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:30:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee>
Subject: Re: Freon

What a great opportunity to produce small batches of
F12 and run a black market operation. You could take
orders over the 'net and ship in unmarked packages via
A black market is the natural outcome of
over-regulation. Whether it is cigarettes, or alcohol,
or guns, or Freon, someone will sieze the opportunity
to make money. I am surprised that that isn't being
done already!

Dan Lee
'53 F100

>I think I know. MONEY!! Think about it. You cant
>buy a replacement home split ac (Indoor or outdoor
>unit) with out a Mechanical Contractors license.
>You have to buy them from a buisnes, ie. your local
>HVAC retailer\installer. Is it the asumption that
the >average home owner is not capable of repacing
these >can't cut two copper lines, replace the unit,
and >silver solder the lines back together. :) Oh, I
almost >forgot, we would have to know how to hook up
the wires >as well. As per epa 608\609 cert, HFC's
(134a) or R22 >for that matter, do not contribute to
the depletion of >the ozone, but you still have to
have a license to >purchase r22 or any 12 replacement.
I even read
>that you will need a license to purchase 134a in the
>future. Why, you ask? MONEY! Right now the
>automotive industry is making a killing on just AC
>work because the average shadetree's are not allowed
>to re-fill their ac systems like they could 10 years
>ago. You have no choice but to take your truck to
the >local Fix It For Me to get it re-filled. Remember
when >you could get r12 on sale for around $1-$1.50 a
lb on >sale? look at the price now, I KNOW, I just
purchased >a 30 lb cylinder for $699.00.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Nuts and Bolts

Try Mill Supply Inc
19801 Miles Road
Cleveland Ohio
fax 216-518-2700
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Freon

At 01:24 AM 14:07:2000 EDT, wrote:

> Why might the ozone over the poles become low at times, will
>think about it during the winter there is no incoming radiation over the
>poles during the winter, it stays dark for 6 months. Absolutely no ozone
>production so there has to be a ozone hole.
>I too am discussed with the regulations.
>Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

An intelligent argument in a moronic world...what a concept!!

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Courier

At 08:55 AM 14:07:2000 -0400, Huston, Virgil H. wrote:
>I am looking for sources of info/parts for a 72 Courier. I can find nothing.
>Anybody know?

Try for the same year Mazda...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: 62 Unibody

At 05:59 AM 14:07:2000 -0700, Dennis Pearson wrote:

>Sometimes in my search for a nice tailgate, I feel like I'm searching
>for the Holy Grail...or is that the Wholy Tail(gate)...Man, it must be
>early and I really need this double Americano sitting in front of me...

Yes you are searching for the Holy Grail, my buddy Jason F has
a '62 Uni, with the ugliest taigate you've never seen, so we're, more
than likely, going to build a custom piece...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


From: "Sheldon Rier">
Subject: 1961 brakes & motor mounts
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:13:27 -0400

Hi All

I've got a 1961 f100 that has a few problems..................

the brakes are gone & was hoping to switch to a dual reservoir master
cylinder preferably with a power brake booster - any suggestions as to what
might be an easy switch

it also has a 223 6cyl that is starting to hammer a bit & uses a lot of oil
we have an OK 223 that can swap in or a really low miles 240 from a 64 f350
if we put in the 240 will it bolt up to the existing tranny??
what about motor mounts??



Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:30:45 -0500
From: Dwight Comfort>
Subject: Courier Parts

Couriers were made by Mazda for Ford. The 72 Mazda pickup parts
interchange very much.

Dwight Comfort
75 F250 SC LWB 460-4V

>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:55:04 -0400
>From: "Huston, Virgil H.">
>Subject: Courier

>I am looking for sources of info/parts for a 72 Courier. I can find
>Anybody know?

>Virgil Huston
>Johnston, South Carolina


From: "gene gardner">
Subject: convert to hydraulic clutch
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:31:00 GMT

Greetings, gang -- after 5 years I'm giving up on trying to figure out what
is causing my clutch chatter (let's not go there, I've tried it all). I'm
ready to convert the 3-finger clutch in my '70 to a hydraulic setup from an
'84. Anyone done this before? Any forseeable glitches? What all will I have
to modify? This time I'm gonna get it!

Texican Teacher -- 70 F100 Shorty w/300 six



Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:49:52 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski>
Subject: ' 66 352

I finally got a chance to give my new ' 66 a GOOD going over. Except for
the bed, it appears to be all original. Everything but the distributor.
It's blue with a smaller grey cap on top of it. The plug wires all say
Duraspark on them so I'm assuming that's what this distributor is.
The only problem I see is there isn't a little black box anywhere. I have
no experience with these and when any thread was going on, I never paid
attention. Everything is hooked up through all the stock parts. Voltage
regulator, coil, relay and so on. What's missing here?
It runs great. Except for the Cherry Bombs hooked up to it. And the
previous, previous owner has got a switch on the dash to turn the charging
circuit on & off.
Any help is ALWAYS greatly appreciated.

Ted Wnorowski Flat Rock, OH
' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed
' 63 F-100 parts truck
' 66 F-250 352 4 speed flatbed


From: "Arnie and his F250 G">
Subject: Re: Freon
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:04:07 CDT

Yea right,,, it was the gevernement that saw they werent making stealing
enought of OUR money.

Sorry, don't get me going. The big bus, wants to manke money,, right. But
GOVERNMENT is worse. Saying looking out for the little guy, enviroment,
kids, baby's or what ever is hot this week make me sooooo angry.


From: "G & J Boling">
To: <>
Subject: [61-79-list] Freon
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:53:41 -0700

> Gordon
> I think I know. MONEY!!
> Rich
> =========================================
Your exactly right Rich
it hasnt got a thing to do with the ozone or anything else its just MONEY
is all it is
big business saw a way to make a big killing with the freon and got the
government to help them do it
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:36:45 -0400
From: David Wadson>
Subject: Re: Replacing U-joints

>3. Support the drive shaft off of the work surface about twice the width of
>the yoke. Consider tying a rag around the part that goes into the tranny to
>prevent dings. Set it so that it doesn't roll while you are hammering (later
>step). Sometimes I can do it alone, sometimes SWMBO helps. A big nice vice
>would be nice, but I have never had one.
>4. Choose a socket that just fits inside the barrel of the yoke where the
>u-joint resides.
>5. Drive the u-joint down until the cup on top clears or the web bottoms on
>the yoke. Use a pair of channel lock pliers to remove the cup sticking out
>the bottom. If the cup you were driving will come out, remove it. If not,
>turn the drive shaft 180 degrees and drive it to the outside using something
>besides the cup you just took off.

I found that just laying the driveshaft on the lawn works quite well. Put
the end up on a piece of 2x4 and straddle it using your knees to keep it
from rolling back and forth. That way you don't have to go to all that
trouble of clearing off your work bench or finding a big enough vise. Plus,
the grass probably gives better cushioning to the actual shaft than doing
it on the driveway or garage floor...

This thread is really reminding me that my 2WD has been clunking a fair bit
and has picked up a slight vibration at highway speed....gee, I wonder what
that could be. :-) Now that I have finally got my 4x4 safetied and plated,
I have no exuse for not spending a few days doing maintenance on the other

David Wadson -
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:53:13 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann>
Subject: Freon Prices

A few years back December 31st was the last date that R-12 gas could be
produced. At the wholesale level a 30LB container sold for about $99.
Starting Jan 1st the madness kicked in. Dupont, the only manufacturer of
the gas in the U.S. had stocked piled the gas in packaged containers and in
huge bulk tanks, and they were about to rake everybody's butt over the
coals! Of course the outrages profits didn't stop with just Dupont, it
filtered through every place that sold it and that could afford to stock
pile it early in the game. The Wholesale company that I work for is no
exception to this either. We saw the prices for a 30LB'er go from $100 to
$225 by the end of Feb that year. By March 1st me & the boss was on the
phone everyday calling all the wholesale companies and distributors to get
the best price's and stay on top of things. Many distributors would not
sell it. They had stock that they paid Dupont less than $200 for and was
waiting for the prices to get into the $400-500 range! This goes way beyond
price gouging!! My company also bought as much as we could early on,
although we never refused to sell it, but we also didn't cut any deals for
large purchases either. By May 1st a 30LB'er was up to $500 and many of the
distributors and retailers had less than $250 invested into them. And the
prices remain over $500 today.

We got out of the R-12 business this year. Just got too hard to find it.
And considering the remaining stock was at least 7 years old we were
finding too many 30LB'ers that only weighed about 25LBS.

A year before the madness started we got the heads up about what was going
to take place. A case of 12/12oz. cans was only selling for about $20. So I
bought a few case's so I would always have enough for my old Fords. I'm
glad I did, a case of these now sell for about $280.

Take care!

Dan Herrmann


From: "Scott Jensen">
Subject: Re: Replace u-joints
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:12:28 -0700

Don't forget to make sure the new u-joints are seated well.They should rotate easily when you're done or you'll soon be able to replace them in your sleep.


Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:43:25 EDT
Subject: 62 Unibody Update

Thanks to all who helped me out with advice on the 62 Unibody I asked about.
You were all helpful. I looked at it today and saw many of the things you
mentioned- especially rust in the bedside. The good news is that none of it
is life-treatening. Most of it I think could be replaced by homemade patches
fairly easily.
The truck is a 62 Custom Cab- 223 , 3 spd, all original, given to current
owner by the PO, all parts present, and original paint (albeit a little
faded), floord boards and bed floor both good- no major dents: just a few
dings (2 that I counted).
Hope you guys (and gals) will wish me luck in convincing my wife that this
truck really is worth the $500 asking price! She just can't seem to
understand why I need a fourth truck. Go figure :)
Anyway, just wanted to thank you folks for the help. I'f I gt itI'll be sure
to share the good news.



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