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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Weight question...
FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 and a C6
Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 SWAP WON'T START
FTE 61-79 - brakes+other
FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem
FTE 61-79 - Re: C6 rebuild / TCI towing converter
FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weight question...
FTE 61-79 - RE: Timing Marks, Junk Parts Counter



Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:47:40 EDT
From: Pyrate951aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weight question...

That is a good question. I have a 68 F-250 camper special that I carry a
3,000 lb camper on. I did a little suspension work but other than that it
does fine.
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:17:04 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 and a C6

The problem is, I can't find a 4-spd. anywhere around here, I live near Ft.
Worth. If anyone has one, I would be glad to buy one.

>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Daniel DiMartino
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6
>my'68 F-250 has a 240 with C6 on it, so i can't see
>too many problems other than the hassle of linkage,
>mounts etc, but i must ask- why?? i would love to
>have a manual instead of an auto any day, 3 or 4 spd.
>these things are trucks right??

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:25:21 EDT
From: Bad4dFillyaol.com

In a message dated 06/09/1999 3:16:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
dsd74taearthlink.net writes:

You are so easy to pick on. Go ahead and be mad or even hate me, you focused
the two wise cracks. Did the rest of what I wrote make sense? Then you have
temitry to call me immature, I resemble that remark. haven't you heard "he
dies with the mast toys wins"
Dennis Dellinger >>

For your information YES I did read the other part of your letter and I thank
you immensly and it did make sense. I'm not mad at you and I don't hate you
and if it bugged ya that I focused on those 2
wisecracks...why did ya even bother to put them in anyway? Obviously ya must
have wanted me to read/respond to them. In addition, I obviously don't dish
out anything I can't handle and I'll be the first to respond to somethin I
disagree with. So, I don't wanna drag this whole thing out, all I ask is that
ya watch what ya say in the future and be prepared for me to respond tooth
and nail OK? Can we puh-lease just get back to Fords?! SHEESH!

temitry to call me immature,>>

Oh and by the way...it's spelled "T-E-M-E-R-I-T-Y" look it up in the
dictionary =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are fir GIRLS*~*~
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:36:43 -0400
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 SWAP WON'T START

Had the same problem with my newly built 460 this past Saturday.

How do you know that your TDC is on the compression stroke? I had thought
that on the exhaust stroke I would have the exhaust valve either open or at
least starting to open ( rocker arm tight against the exhaust valve) During
the build I rotated to the first TDC and...both rockers were loose against
the valves so I installed the distributor to fire position 1 at that TDC.

Wrong! My new engine tried to start, even got close once.(back fire
common)..wore the battery power down quickly....recharged..same problem.
Then I thought to myself.....better check to see if you are 180 out on the
distributor, even though you KNOW you set it right. Surprise... TDC on
compression and exhaust strokes both have the rockers on the exhaust valve
for cyl 1 loose! So how do you tell which is the TDC on the compression
stroke? Didn't matter...I surmised I was 180 out.

I cranked to the other TDC stroke (what I thought was exhaust), reinserted
my distributor, pointed to #1 and VROOM!

Hope yours is this easy!


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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 01:05:22 EDT
From: bill comstock
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes+other

Hi all,

To the individual who is having brake trouble:

Are you losing fluid from one or both the reservoirs?--The res for the front
can leak past the seals into the booster, may not be obvious. Booster on
mine once had about a quart that had found its way back there.

Is the proportioning valve sticking/leaking?--If so the brakes may not be
bleed fully. Bled brakes for years before I realized the little pin moved,
affecting the fluid flow.

non-FTE content:


Bill Comstock
ICQ# 31312855

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:10:36 -0700
From: "Scott Jensen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem

Hi Everybody,
I'm having a problem with shimmy on my 76 F100 4x4. Figured it was about
time anyway, so I replaced the front end parts; kingpins, springs, tierod
ends, etc. Shimmy still there. Reached over and grabbed the track bar,
pretty loose. Cool, I thought, $10 fix for new bushings. Wrong. When I
removed the bolt I noticed that the hole has ovalled. Since the bracket IS
part of the housing I guess my next step is to either weld up the hole and
redrill or drill the 3/4" hole to 7/8" and have a sleeve built. Anybody
have a better idea or been though this before?
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:18:29 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: C6 rebuild / TCI towing converter

David, I don't have any experience with the converter you are referring
to, however I can tell you from personal experience that I have not had good
luck with TCI converters. I would be interested to hear from other list
members who have used TCI converters. I am currently using a Heavy Duty/
Towing converter in my '69 F250 w/C6 and am very happy with it. I got it
from my local tranny guy. I believe it is a rebuilt stock unit. It was also
very reasonable compared to a similar B&M/TCI unit. I think it was $110. I
have used several aftermarket converters and have come to the conclusion
that unless you are in need of very high stall speeds or are using nitrous,
blower or something of that nature, you are paying more than you have to for
a quality converter. Most transmission shops have access to new and rebuilt
converters that are quite adequate for most applications(quality is usaully
not an issue as most trans installers don't like having to replace bad parts
any more than we do), there is very little if any difference in the
manufacture of these units until you get to the serious race type stuff.
Shop around a little too, it took me a while to find a shop that wasn't just
interested in how much money they could get me to spend there. Hope
this helps. Steve Salas

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 01:43:07 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's

Hey guys,

I'm in an unusual situation, and I hope somebody else out
there is in Ohio and has run into this (or lives in another
state and wants to commiserate...).
I've got a '79 F-250 4x4 that I bought from a guy in
Kentucky (I live in Cincinnati, OH - across the river) in
1990. The guy _he_ bought the truck from used the truck to
pull a camper trailer, and had replaced the stock 351(M?)
with a 429 4-barrel from an older Thunderbird, and put dual
exhaust on it (with no cats or other emissions equipment).
Now, at the time I bought this truck, I knew this
engine/exhaust wasn't original, but it wasn't a big deal,
because the truck was otherwise what I wanted, and at the
time, Ohio only required emissions testing for 1980 and
newer vehicles (KY didn't and apparently still doesn't test

So, fast forward a few years, and now we have this E-check
system in place, which requires visual and tailpipe
inspection/testing for anything 25 years old and newer.
Through various legislative mis-starts and snafus, I haven't
had to get it tested yet, but I got notice in the mail that
this year, it will need to be tested (reg. expires in
August). There's no way in hell it can pass. Even if, by
some miracle, it passed the tailpipe test with no cats,
it'll never pass a visual.

So has anyone else had this happen? If so, what do you do?
The usually unhelpful lady at the license bureau said
something about if I fail, I have to put $xxx into it in
repairs to try to make it pass (sliding scale of $$
depending on year), and then if it still doesn't pass, they
give me the reg. anyway, and I can repeat the whole ordeal
again in two years, till it makes it to 25.
Is this true?
If it had had the original stuff in it when I got it, I'd
have gladly left it alone, but that decision was made for
me, and this engine isn't even set up for the emissions
stuff. The 429 is very nice, and goes like hell (esp. with
the 4.10 gears), but I'd have left the 351 2-barrel in it
just to avoid the hassle.

Thanks in advance,

'79 F-250 4x4, Cincinnati, OH

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Sean R. Kerns (aka Snake)
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 23:46:48 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weight question...

Bill asks:
> OK this was posted in a newsgroup today and it got me thinking...
> >what does the terminology "half ton" or 3/4 ton" truck actually refer
> >to? Obviously the payload on a half ton truck is more than half a
> >ton, and they actually weigh more than 2 tons. Just wondering where
> >the termonology came from.

Well, it is the approximate load capacity of the series. The actual
capacity is dependent on the factory equipment. My '68 F100, after
going through the numbers, had a rating of around 900 lbs. And it
showed it with a cab-over on it, which is why I sold it and bought
an F250 :-)

The owners manual for '70 trucks shows F100 ratings (MAX Gross
Vehicle Weight) from 4200 to 5000 lbs, an F250 rating is 6100
to 7500 lbs. The 4x4 MAX ratings are slightly higher, I suspect
that is actually canceled by the higher curb weights (xfer case,

The capacity tables are rated by series(f100/250/etc,2x4,4x4,
SRW, DRW), engines (F100 only), springs, and tires.

My '70 F250 is rated for 7500 lbs, with 2450 lb rear springs,
HD or front disc brakes (Interesting - I didn't think discs
were available in those years!), and 8 or 10 ply rated tires.
My truck weighs in at 5000 lbs, so it is rated to carry 2500
lbs. And it does, very nicely.
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Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:14:18 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Timing Marks, Junk Parts Counter

Its me who can't find them on my harmonic balancer. The pointer is clearly
visible, however I have felt and looked all over the balancer and pulleys
and have yet to be able to see or feel a line anywhere on either one. I'm
satisfied with the timing, and although I can't tell you what it is, I can
replicate it with marks I have made on the balancer.

A man tried to do the lay and leave trick at my local junkyard, and the
owner (who I know personally) chased him down in his Mustang GT, dragged
him out of the truck, told him the $20 part he tried to pay $10 for was now
$100, or jail, and don't come back again. I have found the best way to get
good prices at a junkyard is to befriend the owner or price setter, and
show him everything you get so they are sure you are not stealing from
them. (I even show them the nuts, bolts and fuses I take, they are always
free) Once they get used to you, you will be amazed at what they will just
give you, and prices come down quick being a regular (Ah it nice to live
1/2 mile from a junkyard).

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4

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