Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L) Diesel Topics Only

clutch hit the floor

  #1  
Old 02-20-2017, 03:29 PM
Skagewa's Avatar
Skagewa
Skagewa is offline
Freshman User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Thornton CO
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
clutch hit the floor

Hey everyone!

So I was driving my f250 the other day and I was shifting into second and a ring hit my leg. The clutch slammed to the floor and wont shift. It's either all the way down or all the way up.

Has anybody had this problem and what should I do to fix it? Any price estimates?

Thanks again!
 
  #2  
Old 02-20-2017, 04:50 PM
tecgod13's Avatar
tecgod13
tecgod13 is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Western Mass
Posts: 3,565
Received 119 Likes on 100 Posts
Look at the right end of the pedal cluster for the pushrod that goes to the clutch master cylinder. Sounds to me that the ring broke off the end of the pushrod.
You may be able to get a new pushrod, not sure if they are sold separately, but they are a pain to remove from the end of the master cylinder. If the end of the pushrod is still in decent shape, you may be able to do the heim joint mod.
 
  #3  
Old 02-20-2017, 09:40 PM
IDIDieselJohn's Avatar
IDIDieselJohn
IDIDieselJohn is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Posts: 8,005
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
^^ What he said!

I'd replace the whole clutch master cylinder before just the rod itself.

God knows 2 weeks later the master will go bad and you'll be right back here again.

A big X2 on the Heim joint mod. You'll never have silly mickey mouse clutching problems again.
 
  #4  
Old 02-21-2017, 12:10 AM
shorerider16's Avatar
shorerider16
shorerider16 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Agassiz, BC Canada
Posts: 203
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I had a hell of a time trying to remove a pushrod from a master cylinder on the work bench, I would venture to say it would be next to impossible to do in the truck without breaking something!
 
  #5  
Old 02-21-2017, 06:09 AM
madpogue's Avatar
madpogue
madpogue is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 8,472
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Actually, if the eyelet broke off the end of the pushrod and there's enough length of pushrod left, that's a perfect opportunity to do the Heim joint mod.

If it's not, indeed removing the pushrod is tricky. There's a clip way in there that has to be released. If you opt to replace the master, you'd really be best of getting a complete master-line-slave pre-bled kit. Waaaay easier to swap, and the master is just as old/worn as the slave at this point.

Question - was the ring that fell made of plastic or steel?
 
  #6  
Old 02-21-2017, 08:26 AM
IDIoit's Avatar
IDIoit
IDIoit is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,264
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts

I don't know why you guys have issues removing the clutch rod,
its like a newer fuel line connection (like on my powerstroke)
3 prongs hold the rod in.


I use a piece of 5/16 steel fuel line about a inch and a half long with a slit cut in the length.
slip it over the master cylinder rod and push it in.
the rod comes right out.
to reinstall simply push it back in.


guess ive done enough of them.





the heim joint mod is one of the best things you can do to the clutch mech.
years of trouble free service for 10 bucks.


but you also need to remove the pedal assembly to press the end off the clutch lever.


took me an hour to do in my 87 some odd years ago.
 
  #7  
Old 02-21-2017, 11:20 AM
madpogue's Avatar
madpogue
madpogue is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 8,472
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by IDIoit
I don't know why you guys have issues removing the clutch rod,
its like a newer fuel line connection (like on my powerstroke)
3 prongs hold the rod in.


I use a piece of 5/16 steel fuel line about a inch and a half long with a slit cut in the length.
slip it over the master cylinder rod and push it in.
the rod comes right out.
Dayum, that probably means I could use one of those fuel line release tools. Gotta remember to try that sometime....

the heim joint mod is one of the best things you can do to the clutch mech.
years of trouble free service for 10 bucks.
There's also the cheap/easy version (even cheaper) - bit of 1/2"ODx7/16"ID brass tubing for a bushing, then a 7/16" drill stop collar on the end of the lever to hold it in place.


but you also need to remove the pedal assembly to press the end off the clutch lever.
No you don't. LOOSEN the nut, then pry on either side of the lever with TWO small pry bars / screwdrivers. Work it loose from two sides, until it's free from the splines (you keep the nut on to keep it from flying when it finally works loose). Remove the nut the rest of the way and slip off. Takes maybe 5 minutes. 'Course, while you're on this case and if you haven't done them, the bushings inside the pedal box on the cross-rod are quite possibly shot, so this would be a good time to remove the pedal assembly to replace those bushings as well.
 
  #8  
Old 02-21-2017, 12:01 PM
IDIoit's Avatar
IDIoit
IDIoit is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,264
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts

I would much rather drop the column, the 4 bolts for the vacuum/hydro booster and the 2 10 mil's on the top rather than messing with those splines.lol
but that's just me, and with air tools, youre not tyryin to mess with it at the crazy carmensutra positions you gotta put yourself in lol
 
  #9  
Old 02-21-2017, 02:37 PM
Skagewa's Avatar
Skagewa
Skagewa is offline
Freshman User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Thornton CO
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the replies everybody!

Is this a fix I can do by myself?
 
  #10  
Old 02-21-2017, 07:21 PM
tecgod13's Avatar
tecgod13
tecgod13 is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Western Mass
Posts: 3,565
Received 119 Likes on 100 Posts
Originally Posted by Skagewa
Thanks for the replies everybody!

Is this a fix I can do by myself?
Only you can answer that question....

If you're handy, yes of course.

If you're anything like my brother..... His car shows up at my place with a few beers and/or food and I deal with it, that includes the easy stuff like oil changes.
 
  #11  
Old 02-21-2017, 07:37 PM
IDIoit's Avatar
IDIoit
IDIoit is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,264
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by madpogue
Dayum, that probably means I could use one of those fuel line release tools. Gotta remember to try that sometime....
.
sadly this don't work. its too thick, and not long enough.
but with a piece of steel fuel line, and 2 pairs of pliers,
its off in seconds.
 
  #12  
Old 02-21-2017, 09:41 PM
The_Josh_Bear's Avatar
The_Josh_Bear
The_Josh_Bear is offline
Elder User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: North Bend
Posts: 867
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by tecgod13
Only you can answer that question....

If you're handy, yes of course.

If you're anything like my brother..... His car shows up at my place with a few beers and/or food and I deal with it, that includes the easy stuff like oil changes.
LOL

Originally Posted by IDIoit

I would much rather drop the column, the 4 bolts for the vacuum/hydro booster and the 2 10 mil's on the top rather than messing with those splines.lol
but that's just me, and with air tools, youre not tyryin to mess with it at the crazy carmensutra positions you gotta put yourself in lol
LOL!!!

I also pressed it out from under the dash. It's been too long to remember my technique... but it was maybe something like your picture lol. All I did was replace the pin with a thicker bolt etc like madpogue mentioned. I'm ready to do the heim joint though cause my fix has too much play after the years.

Did you make your own push rod in the picture or can you buy that?
 
  #13  
Old 02-21-2017, 09:54 PM
IDIoit's Avatar
IDIoit
IDIoit is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,264
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by The_Josh_Bear
Did you make your own push rod in the picture or can you buy that?
I used 1/2 of a new push rod.
then I bored a hole in a 3/8-24 bolt, inserted the rod and welded it.
complete adjustment, and have had not 1 issue in 1500 miles
 
  #14  
Old 02-21-2017, 10:04 PM
The_Josh_Bear's Avatar
The_Josh_Bear
The_Josh_Bear is offline
Elder User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: North Bend
Posts: 867
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
That's great! Thanks sir
 
  #15  
Old 02-22-2017, 07:01 AM
tecgod13's Avatar
tecgod13
tecgod13 is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Western Mass
Posts: 3,565
Received 119 Likes on 100 Posts
Originally Posted by IDIoit
I used 1/2 of a new push rod.
then I bored a hole in a 3/8-24 bolt, inserted the rod and welded it.
complete adjustment, and have had not 1 issue in 1500 miles
Just want to note that you probably can't use the clutch interlock switch anymore with the shaft being thicker.
Not a huge issue with the people smart enough to always step on the clutch before starting, but it will also affect cruise control operation.
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: clutch hit the floor



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52 AM.