I have an opportunity to trade an Olds 455 short block for a complete running 351. Not sure of it's a cleveland or a windsor. I want to know if it will bolt up to the manual transmission in my '69 F100 that currently has a 360.

 

Need more info. What trans????

. Definitely gotta change the bell.

 

Is the 360 worn out? Rod out the side?

351s come in many flavors, and many are no better than a 360.

 

You'll have to change out the engine perches/mounts too.

You can get the perches from a mid-'69-'79 302 truck or, a Dentside that had a 351M/400 in it.

Comparison Photos of Engine Perches - FORDification.com

 

The '69 Ranger has a manual transmission, if there's more than one I don't know which one it is.

Not looking at swapping for the 351 because it is any better than a 360, just an economical way to get a running engine. The 360 in the truck runs and is buildable but it would cost more to rebuild it than to swap for the 351.

So only the perches would need to be changed? Are they riveted on? If so that would make them difficult to remove at a junk yard. And WYO isn't as full of junkers as other more populated areas so they might be hard to find. Guess the other option is to just break out the welder and make some.

 

Thanks for that link! You're always more than full of information. They look simple enough to fab up if the transmission will bolt up. Otherwise a full 351 may be easier to sell than a 455 short block.

 

Some people might say I'm full of something else.

The perches aren't riveted in. They have two bolts at the top and two bolts at the lower end of each perch. You mentioned having a '69. Depending on whether your '69 is an early model or a later model '69, you MAY not have the two extra sets of factory-drilled holes in the crossmember for the 302 perches (the 302 didn't come out until mid-year '69. Pre mid-year '69 and earlier didn't have the extra set of holes in the crossmember for the small-block perches). The 302 perches are shorter than the I-6/FE perches and they push the engine back more towards the firewall.

If your truck doesn't have the extra pair of holes on each side of the crossmember, it's no big deal. All you would need to do is bolt the upper ends of the 302 perches to the top of the frame rails and mark the holes where the perches land on the crossmember at the lower ends and then drill your holes.

 

You need to find out. Otherwise this thread may lead to nowhere.

 

If the standard is shifted off of the column (3-on-the tree), it's a Ford 3.03" manual 3-speed. If the transmission is shifted off of a floor shifter, it would be something like an NP435, T-18, T-19, T-85.

Manual Transmission Identification Guide - FORDification.com

 

T-85 is the column shifted Warner 3 speed manual with Overdrive.

T-19 not available until 1973, and then only in F350's.

 

I don't have a standard in my truck but, ok, in that case, if it's column-shifted, It would be either a Ford 3.03" or a T-85 --most likely a 3.03" if the shifter is on the column.

 

It has a floor shifter and I think it's a 4 speed if I remember right. And as horse trading goes another reply to the add was an upholstery guy and I could use a new seat in my other brand one ton. I'd get more money out of trading for the 351 but I'm still gonna consider the seat and some cash. Thanks for all the help.


Which ones of those transmissions will work with the 351?

 

Or, given the age of these trucks and the fact that ya might have a Windsor, Cleveland, or M, it could also be a true Toploader or even a T-10.

... a 351.. WHAT?? Which engine?

 

That pretty much rules out the transmission being a 3.03" or a T-85. That just leaves a T-18 or more likely, it's an NP 435.

I would assume you would need the appropriate bellhousing, flywheel and related parts for the 351 (although, I don't know if this is a 351W, 351C or 351M)?

 

....we were thinking alike on what 351 are we talking about here?

I think the shifter is too far forward to be a Ford Top-Loader 4-spd or a BW T-10. The shifter would be located much closer to the seat with either of those transmissions.