Boy we've hyjacked this threadYes on the first question and holy crap they're everywhere! Don't get me wrong, Grandma has every right in the world to play golf 7 days a week or what ever she wants to do. More power to her But when Grandpa has spent the last 10 years out in the sun & starting to get really dark...put a shirt on before you go out in public...PLEASE. I don't want to see some 80 year old guy that looks like a dried out leather shoe with white hair growing out of every point on his body...walking around with only pair of shorts & ratty sneakers on.Thank you God I haven't had my eyes burned out by a grandma that looks like the grandpa in a two piece....