besides the guys on here haven't seen a lot of info on any of the bigun's period . but like i said the guys on here ... they are a wealth of info and ideas . oh and occassionally they keep you from getting to wild on 'em and getting in to deep ... like any one i know would do that ................ p.s i dunno bout the guys on the 61-66 forums but those of us on the 48 - 60 always as k .......... wheres the pics ??? we like pictures !!!!!!!!!!!!!