Yeah i think it'd be sweet if we could plan something for next year though because i have no time at all until like December and you cant really go mudding/4x4"ing" in December all though there is always snow, which can be fun to drive in...Anyway we'll have to try and plan something, oh and Decurion, thanks for that site i didnt know about it and registered for it is a pretty good site got a lotta info thanks appreciate it.