Yooper00, If I might ask, what on earth could have made you leave Ishpeming to go to the west coast ? Some of the people out there are just plain nuts. The ones who aren't nuts, are flakes. My sister lives there (SF area ), and we have visited, but NO WAY would I want to live there. My family and I went up to the UP for thanksgiving, and for the 2nd week of deer camp. We stayed in a cabin outside of L'Anse. We also purchased some land in Herman, we hope to move there someday. My Dad went to Tech in Houghton, and met my mom on Isle Royale, so I may have been concieved somewhere in the nothern part of the state, but they won't confess. I do seem to really like the cold and snow more than some, so the UP seems to be in my blood. We live in the lower, but our hearts are always in the UP. DinosaurFan