YoGeorge, i didn't know that. I was basing my info off of a few GM AWDs i've seen. There is a guy on the Sportsmobileforums who drives a Duramax AWD GMC or Chevy, don't know how he got it, but it isn't a lifted conversion, it's the 2wd height AWD, like the minivans you are speaking of. I was under the impression they were filling the gap Ford won't fill. I would hope that any full size AWD they make would be a little more hardy than the minivans. I put about 200k on a Safari AWD minivan (work/fleet van) and went through no less than about 5 transfer cases. I loved it when it was new, it would go anywhere, but once it started having tranny trouble, it was never quite right again. Constant limp modes, lights, and codes, and lots of strange noises from underneath that would've driven me crazy if it was my personal van.