528 hemi
 

Hey i am always been about speed and racing. i used to drive a car, but moving to a truck for size convenience. i know ford makes great engines. I was wondering does ford have anything that can run with a 528 HEMI engine that puts out 610 horsepower and 650 pounds of torgue. The reason i am asking is becasue i always liked ford and my friend dodge. he has a dakota with the 528 hemi installed in it. the beast flies and i just wanted to know if there was anything the ford makes that could run with it!!!!

If you have unlimited money project big bronco on some site (dont have link) bought an all aluminum 460 that can be bored out to over 600CI...I'm sure with that a super charger, tuned decently and some really strong axles you could put out 1300HP/1400ft/tq :-X04


Oh and it will fit in any of the trucks F-100 + I'd do it in a 70's model if it was me doing it.

Chado

the 514 is pretty potent but i dont know if its that potent...

Ford made one back in the 60's that out performed your HEMI. It was called the 427SOHC (also a HEMI). 657HP@7500rpm out of the crate with no mods. Dodge is coming in a little late eh? You can also stretch the 460 out to 800+ cubes with a Ford Racing Block.

You could fill a parking lot with modded Lightnings that could probably at least match that.

One lightining would matcyh that.

427 SOHC, huh? How many of them were made? Can you still get one? didn't think so.

Seriously though, one off engines that were once available don't really count. their were probably only a handfull of them built to begin with.


As to the many modded lightnings comment, I doubt it.

If you want to hang with that hemi or even beat it, just get the SVT lightning. That entire truck was made to hook up and fly.

Here is the hottest engine you can buy from ford in a crate. It runs on pump gas too!
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You have to search for the part number M-6007-B514.

Yes you can still buy complete 427SOHC engines on ebay but they are quite pricey.

the 427 SOHC or "cammer" as it was often called was originally designed for use in NASCAR but it didnt fare to well so Ford decided to sell it to people for use in drag racing. it powered a few A/FX and B/FX cars, i cant remember the exact names but i know they were in a 65 mustang type funny car A/FX? racing series and a cougar type funny car in the B/FX? racing series. these engines would produce "625-650 hp" but we really know they under rated and its more like 800+

It didn't fare too well, because NASCAR outlawed it before it even hit the track. They knew no one else could even be competitive.

Ford offers a 514 crate motor which is conservatively rated at 600 hp. I've seen a few places that actually dyno'd one of these, fresh, and they made well over 600 hp. These were with the old CJ aluminum heads. The new SCJ aluminum heads are supposed to be worth around 75 hp at this power level. One article I read had this crate engine with the SCJ heads (non-ported) and a Comp roller cam putting out over 700 hp.

427 SOHC
http://jbaheaders.com/videos.asp
click on thunderbird with a sohc

love the sound.

Car looks like hell though lol.

Chado

Flatlander Racing has a 660 engine that can build a 1000+ HP .

Also rember the BOSS 429 dominated the Hemi in Nascar

No, it didn't.

The V-10 they put in the cobra the other night on tv might do it.

Right, it didn't just dominate in Nascar, it dominated the Hemi in all forms of racing.

More lies form the blindly brand loyal. Lets see some statistics to back that statement up.

http://aerowarriors.com/cgi-bin/af.c...s.com/naw.html
http://aerowarriors.com/cgi-bin/af.c...com/daysb.html

Here are a couple of links that give some stats about NASCAR during the '68, '69, and '70 race seasons. Those were the golden years of the Hemi, the Ford 427 and the Boss. 1971 was when NASCAR outlawed winged cars and made the maximum CID at 305. 1968 was Dodge's year, mainly because of Richard Petty. 1969 and 1970 had more races won by Ford's, powered by 427's and Boss's, than Dodge's precious Hemi. Yes, Ford did dominate the Hemi.

i go with the ford lightinig that thing is sweet!

I agree the Boss 429 did pretty good in NASCAR. However, FordLariat said all forms of racing. I'd like him to show me some statistics from NHRA, ADRA, ARCA, and even power boat racing to back up his claim.

Remember Connie Kalita was the first fuel Dragster to top 200 mph with the 427 S.O.H.C.

That's not a Boss 429 though.

Besides, the 427 might have been the first to 200 MPH, but what engine holds just about every other fuel category record?

Here is some interesting reading regarding the Boss 429 and some of its efforts in IHRA, etc.

http://www.theoldone.com/boss429head/

No, it didn't. ford's wins had more to do with aerodynamics. not motor. The winged chryslers were really for the faster tracks. Don't forget tha the dodge charger daytona was the first to run 200MPH at a superspeedway in NASCAR.

Even Richard Petty drove for Ford in 1969. And I quote," If you can't beat them, then you join them".

[QUOTE=92f150I6]427 SOHC, huh? How many of them were made? Can you still get one? didn't think so.

Seriously though, one off engines that were once available don't really count. their were probably only a handfull of them built to begin with.


What the heck do you think a 528 Hemi is? They were never even installed in a production vehicle.

This is off the subject but why does NASCAR outlaw an engine ford has and when somebody else has it they dont.Well we wouldnt want ford ruling NASCAR would we. That wouldnt sound good. Ford #1 Racecar in NASCAR

I have no idea why NASCAR has a history of doing that, but it is a fact. 427 SOHC? Nope, can't run that. No one would be able to compete. 351 Cleveland? Nope can run those heads. No one would be able to compete. I don't know of any examples where specific Dodge or Chevy engines were targeted and banned like those two from the Blue Oval.

Ford produced far more SOHC and DOHC 427's than they ever used. They built so many that they ended up selling brand new motors still in the crate for pretty cheap prices in the late 60's. I know of 3 brand new never ran 427 OHC motors stil in their factory crates. There are actually quite a few of the motors still out there since they weren't actually used in that many cars.

The 427 OHC motrs could actually be considered a special production motor, at least more so than a 528 Hemi. The 427 OHC's were used in the factory built 65 Mustang AFX drag cars as campaigned by Gas Rhonda and such. They were built in very limited numbers, but the factory did install them.

NASCAR banned the Hemi for most of the 1965 season. Riachar Pety actually built a Hemi powered Barracuda and went drag racing to boycot the ban. The Hemi was reinstated late in the year, and Petty (and others) went back to NASCAR.

As stated above, that was only because of Ford's areodynamics. Richard Petty actually wanted to drive a Hemi powered Dodge Daytona (the Dodge version of the winged aero car) for the 69 season, but Plymouth wouldn't let him have a contract with their sister company. He went to Ford because their cars were far superior aerodynamically than the Plymouth Belvidere used in the 69 season. When Plymouth got their own winged warrior for the 1970 season, the Superbird, Petty gladly returned to Plymouth and the Hemi power, and went on to win the championship.

Hey Ev2Demon learned a lot in that last post. Thanks. You definitely know your NASCAR history. Where else but FTE.

Ford never made any 427 DOHC motors. They were in the works when NASCAR banned all OHC engines, so that project got killed. They did make several 427 SOHC's though and they can still be obtained. Last one I saw went for $25K.

Dodge guys can say it was aerodynamics all they want, and to some degree theymay be right. However, the 427 in it's various forms, especially the Tunnelport was right there with the Hemi in the power department and probably quite a bit better in the durability department. They were a force. That is in no way a knock on the Hemi, just a testament to the 427.

I've seen specs (HP & Torque) for the DOHC 427, so I assumed they built a couple anyway. I've never actually seen one, but like I said, it's probabaly safe to assume a couple were built.

Chrysler was developing a SOHC 426 Hemi for NASCAR as well. When NASCAR outlawed Fords SOHC and DOHC, as well as all other OHC motors, the program was scrapped.

Well, you may have seen specs for this supposed engine, but there has never been one piece of physical evidence that this engine ever made it off the drawing boards. Not a single 427 DOHC head has ever been discovered (rediscovered). There is some rare stuff out there that seems to turn up, but a DOHC never has. Couple that with several experts in Ford history who say it was never produced, and I have to doubt it's existence. That being said, 427 SOHC was, and probably still is the baddest factory engine produced on this continent.

Yeah Im with you there BigSnag , the 427 SOHC is just one awesome engine with the only drawback being the timing chain but that has been fixed. I mean the side oilers had atleast 425 Hp to compete with a Hemi, and no there was never a DOHC 427. But ya know an unplugged Boss429 would eat a Hemi, and thats production, but people like to ragg on its "rated" 375 hp so im sure that will be the Dodge argument. :-X24

ford cant touch the hemi for power and speed why do you think chrysler got baned from nascar in the early 70's easy answer too much power nobody could keep up mopar = more power end of discussion

Ford could AND was keeping up. In fact they were winning MORE races than Dodge.

David Pearson won 105 races most with the Woods Brothers. He did not race the full circuit as did Petty. He won more races than than anyone for the aces entered. Racing the Boss 429 . He and Petty finished 1 or 2nd in so many races. I believe NASCAR stopped them running big blocks so Chevy could compete.

Well if Im not mistaken in 1965 the Hemi was allowed to race in Nascar. So Ford introduced the 427 SOHC , just to have it rejected ,Nascar's excuse being it was not a production engine and it would provide an un-fair advantage, but what makes this interesting was that Chevy could run their 427 MK IV which was not even available to the general public much less over the parts counter like the SOHC, so that tells me the biggest reason was the "un fair advantage" or maybe Nascar was still gay back then , who knows.