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samsdad02 07-27-2014 02:06 PM

FICM voltage
 
need some advice.

late 04 6.0 2 year old batteries, dc power alt (185 I think) Ed's ficm with 40 hp tune. 3 weeks ago started flipping thru the scangage checking readings. noticed the flp was bouncing 12.5 to 13.5. turned on the voltage bounced from 13.9 to 13.5. Called Ed, he suggested to load test the batteries and maybe the relay was getting weak. picked up a new relay, not much change. batteries loaded tested ok, although the tech didn't disconnect them, I ASSumed he knew what he was doing. Makes more sense to test them separated from each other. Haven't pulled the alternator to have that tested it seems like it puts out enough.

basically what I want to know is why the flp drops to 12.5. the fmp hasn't dropped below 48.5 since I started watching. It seems to happen at highway speeds when the eot is higher. Around town when eot is 194 the flp stays 13.5 or higher.

texastech_diesel 07-27-2014 02:44 PM

Did you upgrade the alt wiring with the 185A?

samsdad02 07-27-2014 02:54 PM

I ran a 1 or 2 /0 from the alternator terminal to the positive with a 200 amp in line fuse

npccpartsman 07-27-2014 05:23 PM

The batteries DEFINITELY have to be load tested while separated.

samsdad02 07-27-2014 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by npccpartsman (Post 14537600)
The batteries DEFINITELY have to be load tested while separated.

thats what I thought, "tech" said " nah, I do it this way all the time."

I'll have to find another place. the down side of being 20 minutes from anything...

samsdad02 07-27-2014 05:45 PM

I assume the scangage voltage is reading alternator output. why would the alternator output be higher than what the fmp by as much as 1 - 1.5 volts? at times the fmp is 12.5v and the vlt is 13.5 or higher. the flp dosen't go lower than 48.5, even then .

texastech_diesel 07-27-2014 07:26 PM



$46 to buy a load tester. One of the best things I've bought, with how hot it gets down here batteries can be flaky in the summer, I use it on all my cars.

Bullitt390 07-27-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by texastech_diesel (Post 14537852)
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$46 to buy a load tester. One of the best things I've bought, with how hot it gets down here batteries can be flaky in the summer, I use it on all my cars.

Digital Load testers are by far the best. Can't stand carbon pile testers.

Josh

samsdad02 07-28-2014 03:15 PM

Got them load tested individual both fine

Rusty Axlerod 07-28-2014 05:23 PM

Sounds like it's time for a voltage drop test. Several good videos on youtube. I don't kno if the ScanGauge displays what the ECM tells it or if it reads the voltage from the pin in the OBDII connector. Either way, it's not uncommon for system voltage displayed to be as much as half a volt different from what you'll read at the batteries, and that can be different from what you read at the output lug on the alternator. This has to do with the wire length and diameter, where the power and loads are connected and connection resistance.because of these variables, the various circuits will commonly read a little different depending on where you take the measurement.

The FICM is designed to take the voltage that is supplied to it and output 48v. It works pretty good if input is 12.5 or so and up. When input voltage drops it must work harder to reach the 48v output but it will try, but the lower the input the more heat it makes. That's why charging system problems are so hard on it.

Clearly the voltage drops your seeing are too high. I'd do the voltage drop tests, clean up anything that doesn't measure out right and check again. Somthing a simple as a loose connection coud be the issue. Many times the problem turns out to be on the ground side of the circuit.

Toreador_Diesel 07-28-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by samsdad02 (Post 14537347)
I ran a 1 or 2 /0 from the alternator terminal to the positive with a 200 amp in line fuse

As I've recently learned, that helps, but it's simply not enough to maintain the proper voltage for both the truck and FICM.

From my own experience:

-The Texas heat had taken it's toll on my batteries and they needed to be topped off with some distilled water. Both were low on water, a few of the plates were exposed and some of them were barely covered. Since topping off both batteries, I've noticed MUCH better performance overall.

Topping off my batteries helped the electrical system on my truck run much better and kept my FICM voltage between 13.5 and 14.0 volts, but one thing was missing: the Cable upgrade

-I went to O'reilly auto parts to purchase what I would need to perform the 2/0 battery cable upgrade. I had 10 feet of battery cable ready to check out but before I could hand him my card, another associate stopped me and asked what I was going to do. I replied that I was going to rewire my truck since the cables and connectors suck on my 6.0 sucked. He went to the back and brought this back: Super Start® 04357 - Battery Cable | O'Reilly Auto Parts

-The long and short of it is that the cable needs to be lengthened ever so much (about 1.5 to 2 inches) to fully reach the driverside battery properly, so you'll need two butt connectors and some extra cable.

-The best approach is to also to NOT replace the cable all the way down to the starter. (It's already 2/0) You're better off using some bolt cutters to cut the existing cable and use a butt connector to splice the two cables together.

With the aforementioned cable upgrade:

-My 140 amp alternator has no problems keeping my batteries charged

-FICM Voltage rarely drops below 13.5 and is able to maintain a more consistent 14 volts

-Even with the AC and lights on, my voltage rarely drops below 13.5-14 volts once the glow plugs are off.

samsdad02 08-05-2014 09:09 AM

did some more testing. (hot)

top alternator was putting out 14.5. lower alternator 13.5. both batteries where at 14.1-2

scangage was at 13.7ish (still bouncing around). ficm (also bouncing) from 12.5 to 13.7.
While driving the truck and it's getting up to operating temp, the FLP and VLT stay close. Usually within .2 volts and they stay around 14 volts. once its hot, they get further apart. after 15ish minutes of being at operating temp the FLP will bounce down to 12.5v.


starting it cold (66*) this morning
KOEO idle 2000rpm cold 2000rpm after 30s. restart
FLP 11.5 11 12 13 11
FMP 49 48.5 49 48.5 48.5
VLT 11.4 11.8 12.9 13.8 12

I'm thinking it's not a alternator/ battery issue. could the scangage be flaky? I may try to get the sct to talk nicely to my laptop and do some data loggging.

samsdad02 08-09-2014 02:51 PM

well, saw 10.5 flp at startup. started driving almost immeadiatly within 10 seconds was up to 14.ov .

how does the pcm see ficm voltage? I am suspecting a poor connection, bad wire or a false reading from the scangage. have to find a wiring diagram somewhere.

Bullitt390 08-09-2014 03:31 PM

The FICM Low Power never matches the battery voltage?

Josh

samsdad02 08-09-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt390 (Post 14570346)
The FICM Low Power never matches the battery voltage?

Josh

it does briefly, while it's warming up (driving). after it gets close to operating temps, they may flucuate to the same voltage. I question the scangage because it will occisionally be that the flp is HIGHER than voltage, by maybe up to .5v. don't know how that can be.


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