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Meats12 05-04-2014 03:19 PM

Enhancing mpg on a 460
 
I just recently bought a 1983 4x4 with a 460 engine. I heard I could increase mpg with headers and a new exhaust system. Is this true? And if so how much mpg could I get for a reasonable price. Also if there are any other tips or affordable ways I can besides laying off the pedal that would be great. Thanks!

loner-dwp 05-04-2014 03:35 PM

Yes the headers will defiantly help, I don't know how much it will increase your mpg. I think your driving style will have alot to do with that.
Also you can look into getting a pre smog timing set pre 1971, your timing from the factory is retarded like 8 deg.
Another thing you could do that is relatively cheap would be to get advance spring kits for your distributor.

Gary Lewis 05-04-2014 04:36 PM

I have not tried it on a 460, but I ported the heads on a 351W and changed from a single exhaust system to a true dual exhaust. And it didn't change the MPG at all. The thing ran like a bandit and sounded really good, but the significant increase in exhaust made no difference at all on the MPG.

Franklin2 05-04-2014 04:50 PM

I don't think headers are worth it either. Your main thing with the 460 will be to lower the rpms. A truck with a 460 was made for pulling loads, and they usually came with 4.10 gears. 3.55's were an option. A overdrive tranny swap would give you measureable results, and give you a quieter ride too, and lower engine wear. You would have to drive it everyday to get any payback in fuel savings, but if you are resourceful, you can find a overdrive tranny and swap it in without much money laid out.

ctubutis 05-04-2014 09:48 PM

Yeah, headers combined with a few other mods will get you better performance, but don't expect MPG to increase measurably.

SVTDriver97 05-05-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Meats12 (Post 14317999)
I just recently bought a 1983 4x4 with a 460 engine. I heard I could increase mpg with headers and a new exhaust system. Is this true? And if so how much mpg could I get for a reasonable price. Also if there are any other tips or affordable ways I can besides laying off the pedal that would be great. Thanks!

My dad invested in one of these in his V10 Ram:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X5KJNBB1L.jpg

Really shows you how much pedal you're putting into it, and if you can safely keep an eye on it while you're driving, it should help with gas mileage in the long run.

I'll be doing headers on my 460 eventually, plus a true dual exhuast with an H-pipe.

Gary Lewis 05-05-2014 08:37 AM

A vacuum gauge is one of the best economy additions you can make. Back in the day some manufacturers, like American Motors, put them on their vehicles that were intended for high MPG. They really help you understand what your right foot is doing.

NumberDummy 05-05-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Meats12 (Post 14317999)
I just recently bought a 1983 4x4 with a 460 engine. I heard I could increase mpg with headers and a new exhaust system. Is this true? And if so how much mpg could I get for a reasonable price. Also if there are any other tips or affordable ways I can besides laying off the pedal that would be great. Thanks!

I read posts like this all the time, all of which are a study in futility.

There's nothing one can do to increase city MPG, if you want better hiway MPG, slow down.

The MPG difference between 55 MPH & 75 MPH is a whopping 40%.

It amazes me that people buy full sized pickups, then complain about the MPG.

tylerz71 05-05-2014 10:11 AM

I just bought an 87 with this engine and was wondering the same. Took the muffler off to hear the big motor talk and it sounds great but so far after filling up with no ethanol gas I've got 65 miles on it and its on half a tank. Lol talk about a hog

ctubutis 05-05-2014 10:57 AM

The pickup truck has always been the poster child for conspicuous consumption of Mideast oil, people better understand this when they see what 7-10 MPG costs them.

tylerz71 05-05-2014 11:07 AM

I really feel for anyone who has to daily drive one of these. The egr has been cut off of mine so I'm thinking it got a tad better mileage when new.

Gary Lewis 05-05-2014 11:55 AM

The pickup itself, and these pickups specifically, have horrible aerodynamics. And then the engines needed to haul a load don't magically quit drinking heavily when running light. Part of that's because when these trucks were designed and built we had a 55 MPH national speed limit, so overdrive wasn't thought to be needed. Nor was a lock-up torque converter on the typical automatic. And the price of gas wasn't very high.

Take all of those factors and turn the MPH, and therefore the RPM, up 20% as we do today and most of these these trucks are gas guzzlers, with the 460 being the worst. But, as Dave pointed out, if we can get the RPM down there are gains to be made. So get rid of the C6 and go E4OD or ZF5 and enjoy both better MPG and quieter cruising. And reduce the speed to the low 60's and you will see noticeable gains.

NumberDummy 05-05-2014 12:05 PM

Tricky Dick initiated the double nickel speed limit.

One can buy one hell of a lotta gasoline for what it will cost to swap the tranny, and the paltry 2-3 MPG gain will only be on the highway.

And btw: 1950/56 Packard Ultramatic's had a lock up torque converter. The 1955/56 version was such a turd that Packard 'nuts' refer to it as ULCERmatic!

Gary Lewis 05-05-2014 12:11 PM

Yes, he did that in 1974. And we didn't get 65 MPH back until 87/88. I remember that because we lived in the UK then and it was so big of a deal that my mother told me when I called to talk. She thought is was huge.

NumberDummy 05-05-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis (Post 14320257)
Yes, he did that in 1974. And we didn't get 65 MPH back until 87/88. I remember that because we lived in the UK then and it was so big of a deal that my mother told me when I called to talk. She thought is was huge.

How much was petrol in the UK at that time?

When I filled the tank of a Vauxhall Astra for the first time that I had rented from Avis in March 1999, while on a 3 week tour of the UK, the cost was approx $7.50 a gallon US.


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