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parkland 04-23-2014 10:36 PM

Diesel to 2$ / liter in canada?
 
I just heard a rumor diesel was going up to 2$ / liter in canada.
If this is going to be the case, ford was very smart to pursue ecoboost instead of diesel f150's.
I am starting to hope an ecoboost makes it's way into the super duty sometime soon.

I don't like whining about fuel prices, I can afford fuel no problem, but sometimes, like when rumors are going around about 2$ / liter, I just feel like losing it, lol.

Thats around 8$ / gallon, like in europe, but without their high end diesel fuel, we get junk. And we also have massive vehicles which are great, don't get me wrong, I NEED a 1 ton sometimes for work, so buying a diesel ranger wouldn't be in the cards even if one was offered.
So we have low grade diesel fuel, low quality diesel vehicles, (Speaking mostly selection of SUV's and cars ), and now crazy prices too?
How does this even work?
Why is fuel so expensive in north america?
I mean I "know why", but how is it allowed to progress like this?
Why are we shipping fuels and chemicals abroad when the market is spiking so hard?
I guess thats what we get for relying on multinational oil corporations.

And yet another gripe....
These car companies and their EPA mileage ratings...




Time to get rid of the ol' ladies 20 MPG equinox, and put her in something a little less comfortable and more affordable for me lol. :-jammin

longview1 04-23-2014 11:01 PM

Its $1.60 here at the moment......It costs too much as it is. Pretty sure my truck will be getting sold/parked pretty soon......oh well I guess.

bubbasz1 04-24-2014 06:06 AM

Typical BS, instead of being priced on supply and demand, we live by the speculators. We have more crude in storage around the US since 1931, Texas refinery storage is almost maxed out, but because of speculators we pay the price. Nothing more than a bunch of crap.

pilotshot 04-25-2014 02:35 PM

Diesel price in Chilliwack, BC is $136.9 CDN per litre. To get your mind into US thinking multiply a litre by 3.82 to get a US gallon and the US dollar is 12% better so reduce the $139.9 by 12 %. It is still more than in USA but not the $2.00 per litre quoted.

The fuel refineries are now switching from home heating oil after a long cold winter to diesel so i expect prices to moderate. The diesel here is 4 cents cheaper per litre than car gas at the moment.

Tom 04-25-2014 06:31 PM

I must admit fuel prices were a large part of why I'm truckless at the moment, and the disparity between diesel and gasoline prices means that I probably won't look for another diesel.

Let's not let this get political please, this isn't the place for it.

wp6529 04-25-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 14292968)
I must admit fuel prices were a large part of why I'm truckless at the moment, and the disparity between diesel and gasoline prices means that I probably won't look for another diesel.

Let's not let this get political please, this isn't the place for it.

Sorry, you can not talk about fuel prices without recognizing that a large portion of the price is taxes, especially state taxes. This is one reason fuel, especially diesel is WAY more expensive in CT than it is in TX for example.

Tom 04-26-2014 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wp6529 (Post 14293543)
Sorry, you can not talk about fuel prices without recognizing that a large portion of the price is taxes, especially state taxes. This is one reason fuel, especially diesel is WAY more expensive in CT than it is in TX for example.

Of course that's true, but taxes are only one reason for it. The difference in fuel tax between gasoline and diesel doesn't even come close to explaining how far apart they are.

Tom 04-26-2014 07:28 AM

Why Diesel Costs More Than Gasoline | NACS Online

wp6529 04-26-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 14294095)

That article is good, but it neglects state taxes which is where some significant differences appear.

Also, strictly speaking diesel has more energy content per gallon than gasoline so if you figure that in the two fuels are closer in cost per BTU energy content.

Tom 04-26-2014 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wp6529 (Post 14294168)
That article is good, but it neglects state taxes which is where some significant differences appear.

Also, strictly speaking diesel has more energy content per gallon than gasoline so if you figure that in the two fuels are closer in cost per BTU energy content.

Sure it does, you just didn't read far enough.

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Originally Posted by NACS
Taxes
The final factor in why diesel fuel prices are higher is taxes. The federal tax on diesel fuel is 6 cents more than gasoline per gallon (24.4 cents vs. 18.4 cents). The last increase in the federal tax was in the early 1990s, back when diesel fuel was usually less expensive than gasoline. Taxes do not factor into why diesel fuel prices are higher than gasoline today " strong demand and USLD are the causes " but taxes are a factor in overall prices.


wp6529 04-26-2014 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 14294094)
Of course that's true, but taxes are only one reason for it. The difference in fuel tax between gasoline and diesel doesn't even come close to explaining how far apart they are.

Diesel and gasoline prices are much further apart in CT where you have allowed your politicos to keep increasing state taxes.

Here in TX the difference is about 4.5% currently:

$3.499 for gas
$3.659 for diesel

I see in CT your difference is about 14.4% currently:

$3.839 for gas
$4.389 for diesel

I will also note that it's not just the difference between gas and diesel, you have also allowed your politicos to tax you to the point you are paying 9.7% more for gas and a whopping 20% more for diesel. I used to live in CT and leaving was the best thing I've ever done.

wp6529 04-26-2014 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 14294178)
Sure it does, you just didn't read far enough.

I certainly did. The part you quotes talks only about federal taxes and makes no mention of state taxes. as per my other post, CT pays 20% more for diesel than TX, and that difference is pretty much entirely the result of state taxes.

Tom 04-26-2014 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wp6529 (Post 14294187)
I cerrtainly did. The part you quotes talks only about federal taxes and makes no mention of state taxes. as per my other post, CT pays 20% more for diesel than TX, and that difference is pretty much entirely the result of state taxes.

No doubt Connecticut has high taxes, but that's not the whole story. I live right on the MA line, and we typically go into Massachusetts to buy gas. In Sturbridge, MA diesel is $0.54 higher than regular gasoline. 15 miles down the road in Willington, CT the difference is $0.62.

MA fuel taxes are identical between gas and diesel; diesel is taxed $0.30 higher in Connecticut.

wp6529 04-26-2014 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 14294203)
No doubt Connecticut has high taxes, but that's not the whole story. I live right on the MA line, and we typically go into Massachusetts to buy gas. In Sturbridge, MA diesel is $0.54 higher than regular gasoline. 15 miles down the road in Willington, CT the difference is $0.62.

MA fuel taxes are identical between gas and diesel; diesel is taxed $0.30 higher in Connecticut.

I've done the round trip drive between TX and CT too many times, and every time the fuel prices start increasing significantly as I get towards PA or so. I guess that also roughly tracks where home heating with #2 is common, so competition for heating vs. road fuel may come into play.


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