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AXracer 12-18-2013 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by 1958 Ford F250 (Post 13855815)
Your Definitely motivating me !!!! I wish I had some weldin Skills for my 58 because I would definitely do some bodywork to my metal Tank of a Truck.

Welding skills are really not difficult to acquire. You need about 5-800.00 for equipment and a willingness to learn. In my introduction to MIG welding class, I taught 6-10 complete beginners to run satisfactory weld beads in 4 hrs of instruction and hands on practice. A couple more weekends of dedicated practice on their own would make them journeyman welders. A good way to start would be to carefully read my basic welding tutorial here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-practice.html
Many local trade schools, community colleges, even high schools offer inexpensive continuing ed classes in welding.

sam03 12-18-2013 03:46 PM

Great work. I'm definitely taking some notes and following your thread. I just picked up a 1951 F3.

old_dan 12-18-2013 04:17 PM

Hello Sam03....you should start a thread and introduce your truck to the forum (yourself as well). We all like picture here, so post one or two of your project.

Dan

arctic y block 12-18-2013 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by sam03 (Post 13857595)
Great work. I'm definitely taking some notes and following your thread. I just picked up a 1951 F2.

Yes what Dan said. :) Git er done;)

drptop70ss 12-18-2013 07:40 PM

Thanks guys, will be no new updateds for awhile, holidays are around the corner! Hope everyone has a good one!

1958 Ford F250 12-18-2013 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by AXracer (Post 13856176)
Welding skills are really not difficult to acquire. You need about 5-800.00 for equipment and a willingness to learn. In my introduction to MIG welding class, I taught 6-10 complete beginners to run satisfactory weld beads in 4 hrs of instruction and hands on practice. A couple more weekends of dedicated practice on their own would make them journeyman welders. A good way to start would be to carefully read my basic welding tutorial here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-practice.html
Many local trade schools, community colleges, even high schools offer inexpensive continuing ed classes in welding.

Thanks for the information and the encouragement, I really appreciate it. :)

1958 Ford F250 12-18-2013 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by drptop70ss (Post 13858305)
Thanks guys, will be no new updateds for awhile, holidays are around the corner! Hope everyone has a good one!

Looks Great !!!! See you Later and "HAPPY HOLIDAYS" :) to you and everyone else on this thread... May Happiness fill you and your Families...

drptop70ss 12-26-2013 09:19 PM

Hope all had a nice holiday! With the days off I actually got out in the garage for a few hours here and there to get some stuff done, have to keep pushing forward.

Got the steering done, nice and simple with one joint for once.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps8576e9b1.jpg

Column base mount location done

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psbc67343b.jpg

With the steering done I could decide on exhaust, went with the rear exit shorties which turned out to be for 1988-1995 chevy trucks, they are pace setter PN 70-1318 if anyone is looking for them. I cut the flanges off and made extensions so they would clear and moved the flange to an easier access area. Also added the O2 sensor bung to the passenger side header, the 93 engine only uses one sensor.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psdccc9539.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psaf94b3ad.jpg

Clearance on the steering shaft is about 1/2" but will be fine, engine has a solid mount on the drivers side and is not going to be jumping around.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps9e713912.jpg

Headers had ball socket flanges which I like, I try to avoid using the old style flat flanges with the flat gaskets.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psbcdb8a5f.jpg

Drivers side hooked up, exhaust is a 2 1/2" flowmaster camaro system I picked up cheap at a swap meet.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psf080cb8d.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...psb867a3a3.jpg

I plan on tail pipes, going to make them later once the work around the cab is done.

ALBUQ F-1 12-26-2013 10:50 PM

Why are you using a solid mount on the driver's side?

49willard 12-27-2013 04:43 AM

From the order of your posts, are you indicating that you laid in the steering and joint before you chose your headers? That would surprise me and if you did, go and play the lottery right away since you are one very lucky guy!
I never found a header that would fit the sbc/jag at least with the engine centered in the chassis. I ended up using the angled back rams horn manifold. The sbc in a Jag guys are able to fit the straight down dump, larger 2 1/2' Rams Horns. I think that in the Jag chassis, the engine sits back a little further back in relation to the Jag rack. Did you offset the engine to the passenger side? I will say that hard mounting the Jag avoids the need to retain the unique (and bulky) jag joint at the Jag rack. That joint needs more swing room than a standard Borgeson joint.
Making the steering and exhaust all fit and work on the drivers side is the challenge with the Jag, well done!
I would have the same question as Ross above on the engine hard mounting.

Edit: I went back and looked at earlier posts. I would assume that you had tried a fit up of the headers that you are using back before finalizing the steering which would make you good rather than lucky!

drptop70ss 12-27-2013 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1 (Post 13884591)
Why are you using a solid mount on the driver's side?

Couple reasons. The 1972 and older style chevy mounts are not the best for strength and it is pretty common to break the drivers side mount. In my racing days I would put a chain or cable on the engine from the drivers side head to the frame to limit movement but the solid mount is cleaner. I run rubber mounts on the passengers side and on the transmission, there is no noticable difference vibration wise and the engine cannot rock over and move. Most of my builds lately are non stock with tight clearances and keeping the engine from moving keeps things from getting hit.

drptop70ss 12-27-2013 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by 49willard (Post 13884799)
From the order of your posts, are you indicating that you laid in the steering and joint before you chose your headers? That would surprise me and if you did, go and play the lottery right away since you are one very lucky guy!
I never found a header that would fit the sbc/jag at least with the engine centered in the chassis. I ended up using the angled back rams horn manifold. The sbc in a Jag guys are able to fit the straight down dump, larger 2 1/2' Rams Horns. I think that in the Jag chassis, the engine sits back a little further back in relation to the Jag rack. Did you offset the engine to the passenger side? I will say that hard mounting the Jag avoids the need to retain the unique (and bulky) jag joint at the Jag rack. That joint needs more swing room than a standard Borgeson joint.
Making the steering and exhaust all fit and work on the drivers side is the challenge with the Jag, well done!
I would have the same question as Ross above on the engine hard mounting.

Edit: I went back and looked at earlier posts. I would assume that you had tried a fit up of the headers that you are using back before finalizing the steering which would make you good rather than lucky!


LOL sometimes it is better to be lucky than good! :) <p>Engine is centered in the chassis and I set the location based on firewall clearance, radiator clearance, and driveline angle. Steering looked doable with the engine centered. Initially I did not know what exhaust I was going to use, manifolds or headers, and if headers which ones. I have the luxury of being a swap meet scrounger so I have a good selection of stuff on the shelf to try out without buying new. Initially I was going to use the center dump block huggers, cut off the collector and mount at an angle (similar to your rams horns) but decided to use the other headers and keep the exhaust away from the PS lines. The nice thing about headers is they can always be cut up and modded as needed, but I have another set of center dump shorties that fit with no mods at all. I am saving them for the "good" F1 I have waiting in the wings, so the "bad" F1 got these headers. I will get a pic of them this week if anyone wants to see them, very compact.<p>see above for the solid mount reasoning.<p>Thanks for the questions, hopefully the build will help someone elses project. My truck will be nowhere as nice as yours, just a cool swap meet parts chaser.

1958 Ford F250 12-27-2013 04:19 PM

Better Lucky than Not..... LOL....
 
Hey, Steering came out good so did the face plate in the cab... :) Now the Exhaust are you gonna dump it their in the middle/ground or are you gonna actually take it out to the side ??? I'm assuming you are gonna take it out the side, I think that is what I see in the Picture.....

drptop70ss 12-27-2013 05:29 PM

Exhaust will have full tail pipes straight out the back, I dont want exhaust noise inside the cab, just out the back. I must be getting old, rather have a comfortable ride and be able to have a conversation or listen to the radio. No more side dumps for me.

49willard 12-27-2013 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by drptop70ss (Post 13886770)
Exhaust will have full tail pipes straight out the back, I dont want exhaust noise inside the cab, just out the back. I must be getting old, rather have a comfortable ride and be able to have a conversation or listen to the radio. No more side dumps for me.

I agree!

At this point in the build the thought may come to mind "now remind me again, why did I give up on the stock fuel tank"?


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