Scored a recall kit for dual fuel tank crossflow issue
I must be living right! A friend of mine works at a dealer service bay and said his boss would sell me this kit for $250. For that much, I could buy a new tank and sending unit and fix the problem right, so I told him no thanks. So, thanks to another poster, he alerted me to the same kit on E-bay for $40!
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/JoeGeds/Kit.jpg Came from a dealer down south that was closing his doors and he was selling all his stock. I originally thought the kit came with just the two check valves that attach to the top of each tank. But it also comes with a fuel pressure regulator. The regulator that came with the kit does not match what is on my engine. The new one has an extra "tab". You can see in this pic that it is the tab pointing downward that is sitting on the tip of my ring finger: http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...eds/orient.jpg You can see the old one kind of peeking out from under the first manifold. The new one in my hand is in the exact orientation as it would fit on my engine (I believe). So, I'm thinking I need to cut that bottom tab off so it will fit. Here is a pic of the existing regulator on the engine. The new tab would be sticking out towards the left in this pic. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ds/fuelReg.jpg As you can see, there is no room for the tab, so I'm going to cut it off. Do you guys agree with this? I don't want to eff this up because these kits are far and few between. BTW, the little bag of parts in the first pic that comes with the kit has new hex screws, o-ring, and gasket for the regulator. |
You know that kit was just for the recall for the 1993 V-8 Ford trucks. In 1993 they had a bad run of 40psi fuel pressure regulators that would allow the fuel pressure to go to high and blow the HP check valve out on the non running FDM.
That kit may not fix your problem as it only goes in the HP line from each tank and your problem may be a stuck open shuttle valve that will let the fuel return to the wrong tank. In other words you may have wasted your money. Also that fuel pressure regulator will not work as it has a 40psi spring in it and you need a 60psi spring in the fuel pressure regulator. I think those kits was just for the V-8 engines and they took a different fuel pressure than the I-6 engine. |
Originally Posted by subford
(Post 13541045)
You know that kit was just for the recall for the 1993 V-8 Ford trucks. In 1993 they had a bad run of 40psi fuel pressure regulators that would allow the fuel pressure to go to high and blow the HP check valve out on the non running FDM.
That kit may not fix your problem as it only goes in the HP line from each tank and your problem may be a stuck open shuttle valve that will let the fuel return to the wrong tank. In other words you may have wasted your money. Also that fuel pressure regulator will not work as it has a 40psi spring in it and you need a 60psi spring in the fuel pressure regulator. I think those kits was just for the V-8 engines and they took a different fuel pressure than the I-6 engine. CROSS TANK FUEL FLOW CONDITION: DAMAGED CHECK VALVE TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN Reference Number(s): 93S68, Date of Issue: September, 1993 Related Ref Number(s): 93S68 ARTICLE BEGINNING CROSS TANK FUEL FLOW CONDITION APPLICATION Model(s): All 1990-1992 Ford F-Series Trucks equipped with 4.9, 5.0, 5.8 or 7.5 Liter engines and Dual Fuel Tanks Certain 1993 Ford F-Series Trucks equipped with 4.9, 5.0, 5.8 or 7.5 Liter engines and Dual Fuel Tanks Recall No.: 93S68 & 93S68 Additional Information Date: September, 1993 SAFETY RECALL 93S68 AFFECTED VEHICLES All 1990, 1991, 1992 and certain 1993 model F-Series vehicles equipped with 4.9, 5.0, 5.8 or 7.5 Liter engines and dual fuel tanks. REASONS FOR RECALL Some of the affected vehicles may experience a cross tank fuel flow condition due to a damaged check valve in the fuel pump/sender assembly. Fuel may be supplied from one tank and some or all of the unused fuel may be returned to the other tank. Should this occur, the capacity of the receiving tank may be exceeded and fuel may overflow from the filler cap. Fuel spillage in the presence of an ignition source could potentially result in a fire. To correct this condition, the fuel pressure regulator will be replaced and a check valve will be installed between each fuel supply line and fuel tank. |
That has nothing to do with the recall that was just for the 1993 F-series trucks that had the bad fuel pressure regulator that the kit you posted above was for.
Also as I stated above if your problem is the shuttle valve and not the HP check valve those check valve in the kit will not help you at all. It does not sound like that fuel pressure regulator even has the right fuel pressure for your truck. |
Originally Posted by subford
(Post 13541472)
That has nothing to do with the recall that was just for the 1993 F-series trucks that had the bad fuel pressure regulator that the kit you posted above was for.
Also as I stated above if your problem is the shuttle valve and not the HP check valve those check valve in the kit will not help you at all. It does not sound like that fuel pressure regulator even has the right fuel pressure for your truck. |
Originally Posted by joegeds
(Post 13541625)
the reason I got the kit in the first place was due to the cross-flow issue (I really don't even have a problem with the fuel pressure regulator). I have fuel being pumped from the rear tank to the front tank so that it overflows. Shouldn't those check valves work for this problem?
Originally Posted by joegeds
(Post 13541625)
That's the reason they were ever issued, wasn't it?
I know some dealers even tried to put them on 89 and older trucks and that caused fuel problems and they had to be later removed. From what I have seen when older trucks start having this problem the fuel pump quitting will happen very soon after that. |
Originally Posted by subford
(Post 13541783)
If you put one on the front tanks pressure line it might stop the flow of fuel into the tank. You have a bad valve in the front FDM. I do not know if it is the HP check valve or the return shuttle valve. If it is the return shuttle valve that is the problem then no it will not help by putting a check valve on the pressure line.
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FDM = Fuel Delivery Module.
The FDM contains the fuel pump, High Pressure (HP) check valve, shuttle valve, strainer and fuel reservoir. I did not say that putting a check valve on the pressure line of the front FDM may not solve your problem for now. It very well could. I am just saying that other things in older FDM are just as likely for filling the other tank as the check valve is. |
By the way I looked up the kit you have and it is:
F4PZ-9155-A, Kit AA - 1990/91 4.9L (all wheel bases except 137" WB and 161" WB). The FPR will not work on a V-8 engine and is only for the 1990/91 4.9L as stated above. |
Why buy a tank? just buy a FDM. I might suggest buying Delphi units. I just had two new Delphi units put in my 95. I have used Delphi in several vehicles & never have had a single issue. Motorcraft units when I priced them were a bunch more money & I have had trouble with new Motorcraft units. In my 86 F250 460 I replaced both fuel pump units with Motorcraft units from the Ford dealer. They worked great for about 10,000 miles then went bad. Because of it being a carb truck I just installed a frame mounted 14 psi electric pump with a regulator & that went 15 years until I sold the truck. Back in 1997 those pump units were $150 ea.
Just my two cents. |
Originally Posted by kermmydog
(Post 13542351)
Why buy a tank? just buy a FDM. .
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WOW! You're trying to fix the problem I just discovered today! I have a '94 Chassis Cab (With a big tool body behind the cab). It has the 5.8L V8 and of course, dual tanks. I've dropped the rear tank to replace it. I wanted to move the truck using the front tank, and sprayed fuel all over from the disconnected rear fuel lines (not sure which one).
Subford, you seem to have a good handle on this problem! How should the OP and I go about trouble-shooting this problem? Left to my own devices, I'll start by seeing which line is spraying fuel, but I haven't yet figured out what I would do with that information! Thanks in advance! |
deanm,
That is normal for the fuel from the pressure line to spray fuel out from the other tank when it is not connected to the FDM. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...ps7d56d5ae.jpg The FDM: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...yAssembly2.gif / |
Great! Thanks for the reassurance. Maybe I should FINISH the job before I try and drive away! :)
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F4pz-9155A
joegeds
I know its a long shot but do you still have the F4pz-9155a recall kit. I have a 93 F150 and maybe it would fix my gas tank problems. Thanks Bob |
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