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soco 08-12-2012 08:39 PM

390 timing
 
Just did a rewire, new ignition, condenser, plugs/wires, etc, and somehow my timing got all jacked up. I just reset it to 10* ... It cranks right up and runs smooth, but it seems to not have the power it did before. Any suggestions for setting the timing so it's more aggressive? It has an Edelbrock carb/intake, but stock exhaust manifold and some crappy mufflers.

willowbilly3 08-12-2012 08:43 PM

"Somehow the timing got all jacked up"? How does that happen do you suppose? You need a timing light.

soco 08-12-2012 08:47 PM

Uh, yea, I have a timing light. Was asking for suggestions on a good setting. Would 12* be better?

elgemcdlf 08-12-2012 08:54 PM

Throw the timing light on the bench. Loosen the distributor just enough to be able to move it. Fire the beast up. Advance the timing, test with acceleration. Keep advancing until acceleration drops off a bit. Now let it warm up. Turn it off. Will it start or does it drag like a dead battery? Drag - yes back it off just a hair. Try to start it. Repeat until it starts ok when hot. You now have the timing set. You can check it with a light just to make you feel better.

Opossum 08-12-2012 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by elgemcdlf (Post 12159770)
Throw the timing light on the bench. Loosen the distributor just enough to be able to move it. Fire the beast up. Advance the timing, test with acceleration. Keep advancing until acceleration drops off a bit. Now let it warm up. Turn it off. Will it start or does it drag like a dead battery? Drag - yes back it off just a hair. Try to start it. Repeat until it starts ok when hot. You now have the timing set. You can check it with a light just to make you feel better.

^^Good stuff^^

Soco I could write a book on setting timing, the question is how involved you want to get, otherwise the above is a good start.

soco 08-12-2012 10:13 PM

I'm going to give that a go tomorrow. Thx all!

MIKES 68 F100 08-13-2012 08:58 AM

if truck ran fine before new cap,rotor,plugs and wires then runs poor , i'd say you either have some wires mixed up or one wire is not 100% connected to cap or plug .
if you didn't touch dizzy hold down there's no way timing changed .

Wildcat455 08-14-2012 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by MIKES 68 F100 (Post 12160989)
if truck ran fine before new cap,rotor,plugs and wires then runs poor , i'd say you either have some wires mixed up or one wire is not 100% connected to cap or plug .
if you didn't touch dizzy hold down there's no way timing changed .


Could be...

When the OP says "Module", do you think he replaced the points? Perhaps his dwell is off...

Just throwing it out there. Not sure if he is running a converted ignition or not, but I assume not because he replaced a condenser...

Either way, if he didn't set his points properly, and gapped his plugs incorrectly...

Just sayin... For what he posted, his dwell and plug gap could be off enough to give weak spark, affect performance, and alter timing...

kenny nunez 08-14-2012 05:05 PM

running bad
 
times 2 Wildcat, You cannot beat a dwell meter for getting the points right.

Wildcat455 08-14-2012 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by kenny nunez (Post 12166222)
times 2 Wildcat, You cannot beat a dwell meter for getting the points right.

Yeah, kenny, but I actually am more concerned if the OP even gapped the points going in... Never mind using a Dwell meter to dial it in to a gnat's ass... or for diagnosis... The plugs kinda concern me too... :(

That all has to be resolved before timing.

I have no reference on the OP's experience level, but you can't just drop stuff in a 40 year old truck and then wonder WTF?

It's old stuff... It wants YOU to know what you are doing... and tell it what to do.
Definitely NOT plug and play...

If that makes any sense. :-huh

Ford_Six 08-14-2012 11:34 PM

As part of "etc" it may have been retimed- In which case it may have been adjusted with the vacuum line hooked up which will retard the timing. When I got my Courier, it would fire right up, run smooth, but had -zero- power. I attributed this to it's being a four cylinder, but when I did the timing belt, I reset the timing properly and it actually was able to get out into traffic.

Mtlrcks 08-17-2012 11:11 AM

I have a 1973 F350 SCS with a 390cid and a 4 spd. The engine still has points, can someone tell me what the timing and points are at factory settings? The truck is not currently running. Thanks!!

Wildcat455 08-17-2012 03:31 PM

From memory, and for a 1971, but should work for you:

Point gap .017"
Dwell 26-31 degrees
Timing 10 degrees BTDC (This with vacuum hose disconnected and plugged, and at 625-650 RPM)

Hope it helps

Mtlrcks 08-17-2012 04:05 PM

THANKS!!
 
It does help a lot!! I will be out there first thing in the morning!! :-X0A6

elgemcdlf 08-18-2012 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Mtlrcks (Post 12176314)
I have a 1973 F350 SCS with a 390cid and a 4 spd. The engine still has points, can someone tell me what the timing and points are at factory settings? The truck is not currently running. Thanks!!

If I remember right the official gauge to use for the points is a matchbook cover. I got many running again using that. Always kept a book of matches in the glovebox


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