Do I really need a 6.2L Super Duty?
 

With our new addition 2012 HD F150L 3.5L EB, rated to tow 11,300 lbs, I thought i would raise the question . Its always interesting to compare newer and older technology. No worries still love the SD 6.2L.

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Looks like that 6R140 sucks down a ton of power.

Ford must be doing something goofy with the 6.2 Fueling or Timing as well, since there is a sudden very random 20 ft-lb torque increase in a span of 500 RPM.

Good topic.
My 2006 6.0 f350 that I used to pull my 8000 lb work trailer daily, with 80,000 miles on it, started acting up recently. I was having to borrow my wife's 2011 f150 ecoboost to pull my trailer until I could get the 6.0 repaired. I have to admit the ecoboost f150 pulled the trailer just as good as the f350 diesel. In my work I have to haul up to 2500 lbs of material in the bed, that's where the line was drawn on the f150 ecoboost. With the heavy trailer and 5-600 lbs in the bed of the f150, it was a wet noodle. Pulled and stopped just fine. But pretty saggy going down the road. I told my wife the perfect combination might be a ecoboost3.5 in a super duty frame.

I got flustered with the 6.0 and traded it in for a 2012 f250 6.2. So far i like the gasser 6.2. It's not getting the fuel mileage that everybody else is claiming. I don't think it will handle pulling the 5th wheel toy box. But I can put a load in the bed and pull the work trailer with a firm suspension, bigger bearings, bigger brakes, and proper load range E tires.

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That's quite a difference! WOW... :-hair

Now...I don't own a 6.2L SD just yet...but will be placing an order next month. However...I've said it once...and I'll say it again. The 6.2L just seems to come up short on the torque. I could care less on hp...but torque is what I am after. With my 9 yr old V10 2v...I have 425 ft/lbs. Going to the 6.2L...I am going backwards.

Just wish FORD would have introduced the 6.2L with minimum 3 valves per cylinder...and a better tune with more torque.

Hey...I am still TOTALLY UP for my 2012 SD 6.2L...but a guy can wish...LOL! :-X04


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Those are impressive numbers. I'm waiting for Ford to drop that motor in the AWD Explorer, then I'll be buyin' one for sure.

I'm hoping a 5 star tuned 6.2 makes it to an Ohio meet at some point. We saw what a stock 6.2 w/ 4.30's does on that hill with 15k+ lbs, now I want to see what a tuner does to it. I just don't have the cojones to add one to my truck.

Part of the step up on on power at 4000 rpms the 6.2L is the computer nanny

I talked to Mike M a couple of weeks ago when the next OH meet was. I would like to make it but have RV shows planned every month so the sooner the date is set the better at least for me. I would like to bring both trucks to see how they do for sure.

Our test trailer is cat scaled right at 12k lbs a tad over the HD150 rating. I didnt get a chance to drive very far but i will have more seat time today. The truck has the HD package with LT tires. The truck handled the weight surprisingly well, not squirmy at all (to my surprise).

As for the power / shifting with Fords map..:-X18 (mores in it) Towing this weight one thing that did jump out at me is the lack of engine braking the 3.5L has in tow/haul mode when decelerating. Thats one advantage the 6.2 V8 has is much improved engine braking with 2 xtra cylinders. :-jammin

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:-huh Can you share that link with the 6.2L w/4.30's towing 15k up a hill? I've never seen it...


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You're joking right? I've spammed the forum with it! :-X04

Anyways, here the results thread, video of me draggin' the trailer up the hill at the last Ohio meet. Tom (Crazy001) is narrating.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...nd-videos.html

Hey Thanks! Yeah...just watched your run...and the 6.2L was reving nice! Well done...

That is the main reason I am going with the 4.30 gears. Up here in ABQ at 1 mile high...we hit mountain passes at 10k and 12k all the time. Thin air and less torque...got to have the 4.30's.


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Doesn't Ford post ratings of 420 lbft and 369 HP for the Ecoboost? And their ratings for the 6.2 are higher. These must be flywheel figures Ford is talking about?

Yes...it is my understanding that FORD does use figures from the flywheel.


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Really need a SD??
 

...Been thinking the same thing. ..I'm in the market for a new truck and will be pulling the trigger w/in the next year. My current truck is a 97 Toyota Tacoma, Extended Cab, 4x4., V6, Auto. Great truck. Had it since new.
I'll either buy a Tundra or a Ford. I have to say, my Taco has made me a believer in Toyota. Not one single problem with my truck. The new Tundras have terrible interior but I love the 5.7 L V8.
Back on point.
Love the F150. My dad just bought an '11 Ecoboost XLT 4x4. Nice truck.
I'm quite sure a 150 would do all that i'd ever ask. The only thing I routinely tow is a 5x10 foot trailer and a Suzuki GSXR600 racebike and the Taco, with 153k on the clock, still tows great (at 15MPG). Best unladen is usually 18 MPG. Since this is no problem for my truck, i know for the 150 it would be kids' play no matter which engine.

As for the 250, i love the looks of the truck and i like the over-built quality of the truck. I'd never need a diesel, but have often wondered why anyone would buy a 250 wo buying the diesel. The 6.2 doesn't offer much more Hp than the Ecoboost. Torque is comparable too. The 6.2 is available in the Lariat and Platinum. I hate the faux wood grain in the Lariat and i'm not crazy about the tailgate bling on the Plat. In the 150, i would have to go with the FX4 as i'm not crazy about chrome. However, i think it works on the 250.
I'd be all about the 250 with the 6.2 if it had a little more balls. Just seems like it'd be a bit of a dog in such a heavy truck. Sure, i could spring for a supercharger but...
I want to get the absolute most truck for my money. I hope to one day own a camper of sorts (if only to justify owning a larger heavier truck)
My truck would not be a daily driver as the "company" provides me a vehicle.
I can get the 6.2 in the 150, but why pay high 40s or even into the 50s for a 150. why not just get a 250?

The 5.7 in the Tundra is a strong engine. But, the Tundra's MPG sucks. so, may as will have the 250 with the 6.2. Except the Tundra weighs less and the power would be more readily felt.

The Ecoboost is a great engine and i believe this is what all mfgs will soon be focusing on. Like to see a larger displacement twin turbo for the SD.

In the end. If i'm honest with myself, I have no need for a 250. But I'm quite sure, i want one. I've driven all the aforementioned trucks except the 6.2 powered F250. Looks like i need to.

You've said it all badfish. Go drive the 250. Sounds like you've got some time to think about it. Are you planing on a 2013 MY?

Yup, take a test drive. The 6.2 (especially with 4.30 gears) will absolutely not be a dog.

I agree.I test drove a CC/SB with 3.73's and it moves!Now a SD with the 5.4 I thought was a turd.