new pcm/tcm update?
took my truck into the dealer to get my first free oil change at 6404 miles (but had to pay $48 for DEF :-huh ) I reported to them funny shifting still in 3rd gear even after getting it reflashed to fix the harsh 4th to 5th gear shift (which it did fix) a month ago. i told the tech that in 3rd gear the truck acts like it wants to shift into 4th (drops 100-150 rpms) but then stays in 3rd for a couple more seconds, finally drops rpms again and shifts to 4th. nothing about it is harsh, the computer just acts like it is undecided when it wants to shift. funny thing is the first time i reported this, he said everything was normal. now that i reported it again a month later, "o now there is a new update out" but all in all he said that there is a new tcm pcm flash that just came out that takes 2-3 hours that is supposed to fix most of the reported shifting issues people are having. i havent heard of anything out like this on this forum so i thought i would post this thread for others that are still having issues with their shifting and didnt know about the newer update like myself. also i dont know any of the update numbers or any of that, just that one recently came out.
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TSB 110421 - that is supposed to be the most recent one.
FORD: 2011 F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550 This article supersedes TSB 11-3-23 to add additional calibration content. ISSUE: Some 2011 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.7L engine and built on or before 4/11/2011 may exhibit malfunction indicator light (MIL) on with diagnostic trouble codes (DTC's) P0401, P0402, P009A if driven at highway speeds with a snow plow attached, P164A if idled for extended periods in colder ambient temperatures, 2-3 transmission shift flares, harsh/inconsistent transmission shifting during transmission fluid warm up and tip-in events at low speeds or when coming to a stop. Refer to the Calibration Content for additional details. ACTION: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition. SERVICE PROCEDURE Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) and the transmission control module (TCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 72.03 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2011.3 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at Buy Motorcraft Parts Online | Official Motorcraft Auto Parts Site | FordParts.com. NOTE: PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY. WHEN THE ADAPTIVE STRATEGY IS RESET, THE COMPUTER WILL BEGIN A RE-LEARNING PROCESS. THIS RE-LEARNING PROCESS MAY RESULT IN FIRMER THAN NORMAL UPSHIFTS AND DOWNSHIFTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS. The Calibration Update Contains Improvement Actions And Enhancements: DTC P0401 (exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) flow insufficient detected) DTC P0402 (exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) flow excessive detected) DTC P009A (intake air temperature/ambient air temperature correlation) if driven at highway speeds with a snow plow attached False DTC P164A (O2 sensor positive current trim circuit performance [bank 1, sensor 1]) if idled for extended periods in colder ambient temperature 2-3 transmission shift flares Harsh/inconsistent transmission shifting during transmission fluid warm up Improved shift feel for tip-in events at low speed or when coming to a stop Previously Released Calibration Content Previously released calibration content included in IDS software release 69.07 and higher contained improvement actions and enhancements to address the following: Calibration Content Vehicles Built On Or Before 11/5/2010 Delayed manual upshifts from 1st to 2nd gear when in Select Shift mode while going down a grade Harsh/delayed 1-2 upshift and downshift Harsh 2-3 upshift on first drive away of day after vehicle soak DEF warning messages won't reset after refilling DEF tank with Key On Engine Running Modified vehicles for rail applications, that will not re-engage PTO operation or speedometer inoperative after riding on the tracks with the front wheels off the ground VSOUT signal inoperable from customer access circuits under dash DTC P2463 or P246C (DPF restriction) and DTC P2459 (DPF regeneration frequency) - adds increased ability to perform manual regeneration at higher load values when performing system diagnostics Calibration Content - Vehicles Built On Or Before 08/23/2010 False DTC P132B (turbocharger/supercharger boost control A performance) False DTC P0299 (turbocharger/supercharger A under-boost condition) False DTC P050E (cold start engine exhaust temperature too low) False DTC P06EA (NOX sensor processor performance (bank 1, sensor 1) DTC P249C (SCR time to closed loop) - improved diagnostics and reporting DTC P249F (excessive time to enter closed loop DPF regeneration control) - improved diagnostics and reporting False DTC P0884 (PCM/TCM power input signal intermittent) DTC(s) and freeze frame data being erased in the PCM when running KOEO, KOER, Datalogger, Active Commands or any other guided diagnostics with IDS False P0731 (gear 1 incorrect ratio) False P0732 (gear 2 incorrect ratio) False P0733 (gear 3 incorrect ratio) False P0734 (gear 4 incorrect ratio) False P0735 (gear 5 incorrect ratio) False P0729 (gear 6 incorrect ratio) Low speed/load engine surge Abrupt engine shutdown feel HP fuel pump knocking noise at idle Delayed DEF level indication after refill event Harsh/bumpy transmission upshifts/downshifts Delayed/harsh transmission engagement feel between R-D and D-R shifts Transmission gear hunting during speed control operation when climbing grades or climbing hills, particularly while towing Erratic transmission operation after descending grades while in 1st gear Flashes/delays of current gear indication when using SelectShift mode Added Brake Over Accelerator (BOA) feature - reduces engine power during off-idle driving when both the accelerator and brake pedals are applied simultaneously Added SelectShift memory feature so the SelectShift gear display comes back on whenever going back into drive if the vehicle was turned off while SelectShift mode was still activated Added engine protection feature from overspeed when descending long grades while towing and in manual gear ranges (forces transmission upshifts at 4000 RPM) Increased torque - during hill assist operation - (see Owner Guide for additional system operation) PTO operational enhancements - (applicable to vehicles equipped with optional PTO) - Automatic secondary electronic idle controller (SEIC) turns on at engine start if the switch is in the on position - Engine coolant temperature to operate PTO lowered to -7 °C (+20 °F) - Improved RPM control with SEIC controllers WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part. OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME 110421A 2011 F-Super Duty 6.7L: Check DTCs, Reprogram The PCM And TCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 0.6 Hr. DEALER CODING BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE recalem 04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford or Lincoln dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. 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thanks...good to know as we have had some harsh 2-3 shifts
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I have several of those shifting problems, I figured I would just have to live with it until warranty ran out so I could get a programmer and do it myself. I see a trip to the dealer later this week when I get back home.
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Originally Posted by FORDTUF1
(Post 10704235)
I have several of those shifting problems, I figured I would just have to live with it until warranty ran out so I could get a programmer and do it myself. I see a trip to the dealer later this week when I get back home.
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First DEF fill is free, I just did and so did a friend. Dealer says it's covered by Ford, so go back and get a refund.
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Originally Posted by blue oval fan
(Post 10704363)
^^ are you having the same 3rd gear odd shifting that i described above? if u are, thats the first (other then me) having the issue. i got the truck reflashed, took 3 hours and it did not fix the problem. now the transmission tech is going to be looking at it.:-X16
It involves replacing three solenoids in the transmission and a reflash, or just a reflash depending on the build date. Hope this helps... ISSUE: Some 2011 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with 6.7L engines and 6R140 transmission may exhibit a 2-3 shift flare and/or malfunction indicator light (MIL) on with diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0733 and/or delayed reverse engagement, with a build date on or before 4/11/2011. Symptoms may be more evident or seem worse after an extended soak. ACTION: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition. SERVICE PROCEDURE Inspect vehicle build date. If vehicle build date is on or before 11/19/2010, proceed to Step 2 If vehicle build date is between 11/20/2010 and 4/11/2011, solenoid replacement is not necessary, proceed to Step 3. Replace the three (3) normally high solenoids. Refer to the Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 307-01B. Proceed to Step 3. Remove solenoids in-vehicle, identify the service band required for LPC, C35R/SSB, C456/SSE solenoids. Do not remove the main control. Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) and the transmission control module (TCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 73.02 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2011.5 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at Buy Motorcraft Parts Online | Official Motorcraft Auto Parts Site | FordParts.com. NOTE: PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY. WHEN THE ADAPTIVE STRATEGY IS RESET, THE COMPUTER WILL BEGIN A RE-LEARNING PROCESS. THIS RE-LEARNING PROCESS MAY RESULT IN FIRMER THAN NORMAL UPSHIFTS AND DOWNSHIFTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS. PART NUMBER PART NAME BC3Z-7G383-K Solenoid-Band Number 2 BC3Z-7G383-L Solenoid-Band Number 3 BC3Z-7G383-M Solenoid-Band Number 4 BC3Z-7G383-N Solenoid-Band Number 5 WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part. OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME 110710A 2011 F-Super Duty 6.7L: Check DTCs, Reprogram The PCM And TCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor operations) 0.6 Hr. 110710B 2011 F-Super Duty 6.7L: Check DTCs, Replace Three Shift Solenoids, Reprogram The PCM And TCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor operations) 2.0 Hrs. DEALER CODING BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE recal 04 <!-- / message --> |
Originally Posted by jaybread
(Post 10706704)
First DEF fill is free, I just did and so did a friend. Dealer says it's covered by Ford, so go back and get a refund.
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I have what I call delayed shift from 2 to 3 in the morning. It's like it doesn't want to shift until I let off a bit, or unless I push down further so it revs high enough to shift. I was considering, or thinking, that's what they mean by 'flares" because the engine keeps revving up and won't want to shift out of 2nd.
I also have these three: Harsh/bumpy transmission upshifts/downshifts Delayed/harsh transmission engagement feel between R-D and D-R shifts Transmission gear hunting during speed control operation when climbing grades or climbing hills. I bought my truck in July 2010 and it was on the lot for a month before I bought it. It already had the reflash but these still seem to be what my truck experiences. |
Originally Posted by FORDTUF1
(Post 10710635)
I have what I call delayed shift from 2 to 3 in the morning. It's like it doesn't want to shift until I let off a bit, or unless I push down further so it revs high enough to shift. I was considering, or thinking, that's what they mean by 'flares" because the engine keeps revving up and won't want to shift out of 2nd.
I also have these three: Harsh/bumpy transmission upshifts/downshifts Delayed/harsh transmission engagement feel between R-D and D-R shifts Transmission gear hunting during speed control operation when climbing grades or climbing hills. I bought my truck in July 2010 and it was on the lot for a month before I bought it. It already had the reflash but these still seem to be what my truck experiences. |
No I meant the very first reflash, for the HP and TQ increases, but it also had some other fixes. That was almost 6 months ago or more.
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Originally Posted by FORDTUF1
(Post 10710746)
No I meant the very first reflash, for the HP and TQ increases, but it also had some other fixes. That was almost 6 months ago or more.
TSB 11-4-21 FORD: 2011 F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550 This article supersedes TSB 11-3-23 to add additional calibration content. ISSUE: Some 2011 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.7L engine and built on or before 4/11/2011 may exhibit malfunction indicator light (MIL) on with diagnostic trouble codes (DTC's) P0401, P0402, P009A if driven at highway speeds with a snow plow attached, P164A if idled for extended periods in colder ambient temperatures, 2-3 transmission shift flares, harsh/inconsistent transmission shifting during transmission fluid warm up and tip-in events at low speeds or when coming to a stop. Refer to the Calibration Content for additional details. ACTION: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition. SERVICE PROCEDURE Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) and the transmission control module (TCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 72.03 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2011.3 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at Buy Motorcraft Parts Online | Official Motorcraft Auto Parts Site | FordParts.com. NOTE: PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY. WHEN THE ADAPTIVE STRATEGY IS RESET, THE COMPUTER WILL BEGIN A RE-LEARNING PROCESS. THIS RE-LEARNING PROCESS MAY RESULT IN FIRMER THAN NORMAL UPSHIFTS AND DOWNSHIFTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS. The Calibration Update Contains Improvement Actions And Enhancements: DTC P0401 (exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) flow insufficient detected) DTC P0402 (exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) flow excessive detected) DTC P009A (intake air temperature/ambient air temperature correlation) if driven at highway speeds with a snow plow attached False DTC P164A (O2 sensor positive current trim circuit performance [bank 1, sensor 1]) if idled for extended periods in colder ambient temperature 2-3 transmission shift flares Harsh/inconsistent transmission shifting during transmission fluid warm up Improved shift feel for tip-in events at low speed or when coming to a stop Previously Released Calibration Content Previously released calibration content included in IDS software release 69.07 and higher contained improvement actions and enhancements to address the following: Calibration Content Vehicles Built On Or Before 11/5/2010 Delayed manual upshifts from 1st to 2nd gear when in Select Shift mode while going down a grade Harsh/delayed 1-2 upshift and downshift Harsh 2-3 upshift on first drive away of day after vehicle soak DEF warning messages won't reset after refilling DEF tank with Key On Engine Running Modified vehicles for rail applications, that will not re-engage PTO operation or speedometer inoperative after riding on the tracks with the front wheels off the ground VSOUT signal inoperable from customer access circuits under dash DTC P2463 or P246C (DPF restriction) and DTC P2459 (DPF regeneration frequency) - adds increased ability to perform manual regeneration at higher load values when performing system diagnostics Calibration Content - Vehicles Built On Or Before 08/23/2010 False DTC P132B (turbocharger/supercharger boost control A performance) False DTC P0299 (turbocharger/supercharger A under-boost condition) False DTC P050E (cold start engine exhaust temperature too low) False DTC P06EA (NOX sensor processor performance (bank 1, sensor 1) DTC P249C (SCR time to closed loop) - improved diagnostics and reporting DTC P249F (excessive time to enter closed loop DPF regeneration control) - improved diagnostics and reporting False DTC P0884 (PCM/TCM power input signal intermittent) DTC(s) and freeze frame data being erased in the PCM when running KOEO, KOER, Datalogger, Active Commands or any other guided diagnostics with IDS False P0731 (gear 1 incorrect ratio) False P0732 (gear 2 incorrect ratio) False P0733 (gear 3 incorrect ratio) False P0734 (gear 4 incorrect ratio) False P0735 (gear 5 incorrect ratio) False P0729 (gear 6 incorrect ratio) Low speed/load engine surge Abrupt engine shutdown feel HP fuel pump knocking noise at idle Delayed DEF level indication after refill event Harsh/bumpy transmission upshifts/downshifts Delayed/harsh transmission engagement feel between R-D and D-R shifts Transmission gear hunting during speed control operation when climbing grades or climbing hills, particularly while towing Erratic transmission operation after descending grades while in 1st gear Flashes/delays of current gear indication when using SelectShift mode Added Brake Over Accelerator (BOA) feature - reduces engine power during off-idle driving when both the accelerator and brake pedals are applied simultaneously Added SelectShift memory feature so the SelectShift gear display comes back on whenever going back into drive if the vehicle was turned off while SelectShift mode was still activated Added engine protection feature from overspeed when descending long grades while towing and in manual gear ranges (forces transmission upshifts at 4000 RPM) Increased torque - during hill assist operation - (see Owner Guide for additional system operation) PTO operational enhancements - (applicable to vehicles equipped with optional PTO) - Automatic secondary electronic idle controller (SEIC) turns on at engine start if the switch is in the on position - Engine coolant temperature to operate PTO lowered to -7 °C (+20 °F) - Improved RPM control with SEIC controllers WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of NewVehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part. OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME 110421A 2011 F-Super Duty 6.7L: Check DTCs, Reprogram The PCM And TCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 0.6 Hr. DEALER CODING BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE recalem 04 |
My truck has been shifting funny from 2nd to 3rd since new. I tried to capture it on video as it only does it while the transmission is cold. Is this the same problem as referred to earlier in this post? If you notice, the rpm's jump when it tries to shift from 2nd to 3rd and drops back to 1st before starting the shift cycle again. Will this latest flash fix this?
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...819_074841.jpg |
Originally Posted by Specularius
(Post 10713815)
My truck has been shifting funny from 2nd to 3rd since new. I tried to capture it on video as it only does it while the transmission is cold. Is this the same problem as referred to earlier in this post? If you notice, the rpm's jump when it tries to shift from 2nd to 3rd and drops back to 1st before starting the shift cycle again. Will this latest flash fix this?
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...819_074841.jpg |
Hi to all,
6400 miles on my 350 SBCC and it went to dealer for first oil change and DEF service, 168.00 later and lighter I was on my way. Took 4 gals. of DEF. I ordered my truck in Nov. and picked it up in Jan. I never received a coupon for the first service so I had to pay. Thanks Ford as this #6 I have owned and purchased at this dealer. I also had 11-4-21 installed mostly for the throttle tip in, was very noticeable using my hand controls. So far it feels good and shifts great but I never really had issues like some are. Heading out tomorrow with the Cyclone (about 12K) for 1000 miles over the next week. I'll let you know how it goes, I'm sure it's going to be a blast. Mark |
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