Sounds like your water pump, timing cover and balancer all came from the off world. My timing cover, and water pump both have a paper gasket and everything on mine lines up perfectly. What brand is the water pump?
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Water pumps a Bosch. I just a couple motor head buddies over here looking at it and they're scratching their heads too.
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Do you have an old water pump for that engine? if so. Measure the shaft distance from the front of the shaft to the front side of the mounting boss for the fan on the pump. That may not be back far enough, causing the pulley misalignment.
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I checked that, it's the same. I'm gonna sleep on it.:-X17
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You need either a new balancer or a Speedi Sleeve repair kit to give the new seal a smooth surface to ride on.
Hopefully the FMS hasn't been nicked already. |
Originally Posted by Piston Honda
(Post 14094600)
2. Water pump has been changed, but the measurement from the back to the front of each pump is within 1/32 of an inch.
3. When I took the water pump off the timing cover originally I don't know if there was a paper gasket( 1/16" maybe) between them. I know for a fact there was no paper gasket in between the timing cover and the block( another 1/16"). So with the two gaskets and the discrepancy of the 1/32" between the old water pump and the new you get maybe a 1/8"+ of stuff holding the water pump out further. Are we confused yet? |
What if I brought the balancer to the machine shop and have 1/8"+ removed from it? That's obviously a last resort thing, but the seal will sit on a different part of the HB and shouldn't leak. I'll set up the power steering pump and see where the pulley is in relation to the crank pulley. I tried doing the same thing with the old alternator but it's hard to tell where it lines up. I had trouble trying to take the pulley off the alt and mushroomed the shaft and can't get the nut back on to tighten the pulley.
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Originally Posted by Piston Honda
(Post 14092639)
I found a spacer to use with the installation tool and I'm trying to get the harmonic balancer on I think it's all the way on but the pulleys don't seem to line up correctly.
http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/...pscf9cee5f.jpg http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9a0d6e8d.jpg http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/...ps80953886.jpg I measured the depth of the stub on the back of the balancer and I don't think it can go in any more. Why don't the pulleys line up? Am I missing something? |
I set up the power steering pump temporarily to check the pulleys out and the water pump pulley lines up with the PS pulley.
Your right, it doesn't seem like its on all the way, but it will not go on any further. It doesn't have enough depth for the balancer to go in. The balancer is 2 1/8". The hole around the crank snout is 2" deep. It can not possibly go in any more. I'm willing to bet anything that the timing gear on the Edelbrock set is thicker. Now, the evidence of where the seal was riding says its in the same spot it was pre build. The FMS was replaced also, so maybe the gear is keeping the HB out and the aftermarket seal has a different reveal than the stock one, coincidentally making the seal fall on the same spot. I'm going to make a trip to the parts store and see if they have a stock replacement timing set and an Edelbrock one and compare the two. If someone has a Ford timing set lying around could you throw a measuring tape on it and let me know the thickness? |
What makes you think the balancer has to be flush with the tip of the crank?
The bolt and washer pull it on until it bottoms. You've already said that the scoring on the balancer is lined up with the lip of the seal. If there's a problem it's not with the timing set and it was there before you started this project. Is the slinger properly in place? |
Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
(Post 14098670)
What makes you think the balancer has to be flush with the tip of the crank?
The bolt and washer pull it on until it bottoms. You've already said that the scoring on the balancer is lined up with the lip of the seal. If there's a problem it's not with the timing set and it was there before you started this project. Is the slinger properly in place? I don't think there was any issue to begin with. If there was an issue, you would think the belts would squeal and such, but they didn't and the belts all ran smooth and true. There wasn't an oil slinger. |
I guess your engine is different.
Most timing gear sets I've seen show a slinger behind the seal. Definitely replace the damper or put a repair sleeve on it before you bolt it down. Make sure to lube the seal too. They don't like to be started dry. |
Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
(Post 14099071)
I guess your engine is different.
Most timing gear sets I've seen show a slinger behind the seal. Definitely replace the damper or put a repair sleeve on it before you bolt it down. Make sure to lube the seal too. They don't like to be started dry. So I assume some have them and some don't. |
Originally Posted by Piston Honda
(Post 14099331)
I assume some have them and some don't.
I asked about it while trying to understand why you seem to have an alignment problem. |
Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
(Post 14099468)
I'm agreeing with you...
I asked about it while trying to understand why you seem to have an alignment problem.
Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
(Post 14098670)
What makes you think the balancer has to be flush with the tip of the crank?
The bolt and washer pull it on until it bottoms. You've already said that the scoring on the balancer is lined up with the lip of the seal. If there's a problem it's not with the timing set and it was there before you started this project.
Originally Posted by Piston Honda
(Post 14099012)
Originally I thought that they shouldn't be flush, because if they were then the washer would bottom out on both the crank and balancer and there wouldn't be as much pressure holding the balancer on. Someone else posted that they should be flush, so I kinda went with that. Does that make sense?
So I agree now that the timing set can't be the culprit What else could this be? Am I going to have to shim all the other pulleys and buy a balancer? How much is a repair sleeve? |
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