2011 Explorer
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"Ford could have owned the American mid-size 'traditional' SUV market.....duh" Ya, all 50K units annually.
The traditional SUV is what "died on the vine". Very few people took their $30-$40K vehicle off road and most of these buyers finally realize they don't want to pay for this capability and then be too afraid of scratching their paint. These same people still want a vehicle that has the attention put into it's design, worthy of the Explorer name.
Mike
99 F150 w/ 145K miles and going very strong!
The traditional SUV is what "died on the vine". Very few people took their $30-$40K vehicle off road and most of these buyers finally realize they don't want to pay for this capability and then be too afraid of scratching their paint. These same people still want a vehicle that has the attention put into it's design, worthy of the Explorer name.
Mike
99 F150 w/ 145K miles and going very strong!
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I'm confused why everyone is trashing it just because its a unibody constructed vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I understand a ladder-frame constructed vehicle is typically better at producing something heavy-duty, built to tow toys, etc.
However, do you not think that uni-body construction methods have advanced in the past 10 years? They are building uni-body frames a lot stronger than years gone by.
Also, the new Explorer will still tow a family boat, decent size camper, trailer of dirt bikes, etc. Its going to be more than adequate to haul. If you're towing something that much heavier, than you'd probably be better off in a pickup-truck or expedition.
On the flip side:
I don't understand Ford's reasoning behind making the Explorer a Flex/Edge type vehicle. Granted, the explorere will be bigger than the edge and around the same as a flex i guess (haven't looked at the specs to compare flex & explorer size yet).
So all that to say this: Don't be stuck in the old-school thought of uni-body=junk. I think chassis engineering has come a long way. I'm not saying its a replacement for a true frame truck, but for light/medium duty, its probably going to fit well.
However, do you not think that uni-body construction methods have advanced in the past 10 years? They are building uni-body frames a lot stronger than years gone by.
Also, the new Explorer will still tow a family boat, decent size camper, trailer of dirt bikes, etc. Its going to be more than adequate to haul. If you're towing something that much heavier, than you'd probably be better off in a pickup-truck or expedition.
On the flip side:
I don't understand Ford's reasoning behind making the Explorer a Flex/Edge type vehicle. Granted, the explorere will be bigger than the edge and around the same as a flex i guess (haven't looked at the specs to compare flex & explorer size yet).
So all that to say this: Don't be stuck in the old-school thought of uni-body=junk. I think chassis engineering has come a long way. I'm not saying its a replacement for a true frame truck, but for light/medium duty, its probably going to fit well.
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No one has even mentioned a problem with it being unibody. Two of the most capable off-road SUVs of all time - the Jeep Cherokee and Grand Cherokee were both unibody.
The problem is its now low to the ground, FWD, and has huge wheels with tin sidewall tires. Sure it will probably tow a small trail fine, but any offroad ability it could have possibly had is now gone.
The problem is its now low to the ground, FWD, and has huge wheels with tin sidewall tires. Sure it will probably tow a small trail fine, but any offroad ability it could have possibly had is now gone.
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There's another Explorer thread that was paralleling this one but I think it took a much needed break.
All I have to say is this to the loyalists of the first gen Explorers. You must have been pretty ticked off when Ford switch to the IFS from the TTB and made all the other changes.
This Explorer will be a very nice vehicle, don't give up on it just yet.
All I have to say is this to the loyalists of the first gen Explorers. You must have been pretty ticked off when Ford switch to the IFS from the TTB and made all the other changes.
This Explorer will be a very nice vehicle, don't give up on it just yet.
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"Ford could have owned the American mid-size 'traditional' SUV market.....duh" Ya, all 50K units annually.
The traditional SUV is what "died on the vine". Very few people took their $30-$40K vehicle off road and most of these buyers finally realize they don't want to pay for this capability and then be too afraid of scratching their paint. These same people still want a vehicle that has the attention put into it's design, worthy of the Explorer name.
The traditional SUV is what "died on the vine". Very few people took their $30-$40K vehicle off road and most of these buyers finally realize they don't want to pay for this capability and then be too afraid of scratching their paint. These same people still want a vehicle that has the attention put into it's design, worthy of the Explorer name.
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There's another Explorer thread that was paralleling this one but I think it took a much needed break.
All I have to say is this to the loyalists of the first gen Explorers. You must have been pretty ticked off when Ford switch to the IFS from the TTB and made all the other changes.
This Explorer will be a very nice vehicle, don't give up on it just yet.
All I have to say is this to the loyalists of the first gen Explorers. You must have been pretty ticked off when Ford switch to the IFS from the TTB and made all the other changes.
This Explorer will be a very nice vehicle, don't give up on it just yet.