Hi, I am considering buying a Keystone Raptor 361LEV Toyhauler. I'll be towing it with a 2010 F-250 King Ranch 4X4 CC SRW with 3.55 gears. My plan is to get a good set of airbags and the superglide pullrite hitch since I have a shortbed. Will I have any problems towing this? I am not planning filling it to capacity, probably 3 quads in the garage and about 5 people max. The specs are as follows. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Grey


Shipping weight: 12810
Carrying Capacity: 5190
Hitch: 2795
Length: 39'7

 

i look at those and i think you need to pass. Unless you can get alot of wt off the pin, you are gonna be over your axle ratings.

Go get the truck fill of fuel, passageners and then get it on the cat scale at your local truck stop. Costs around 9 bucks, but will give you the wt for each axle and the total.

You need to look at the door cert and see what it says for your axle ratings. Mine is 6100 lbs, same truck just an 08.

My "advertised" pin wt was 1980 lbs. Wrong! Always wrong! But I knew that ahead of time. 15-20% of your gross is gonna be close to what you will actually have. In your case I see that as at least about 3400-3600 lbs depending upon how much you get on the rear.

Sorry that is just too much 5er.

 

Remember though, when you put the weight of 3 ATV's behind the axles, along with what ever else you put in the garage, it's going to move a lot of weight off the pin. Only way to be sure would be to load the 5th wheel, go to scales and axle out the whole rig. By the time you get it loaded it's likely going to run 16-17000 lbs if that 12,810 weight is correct.

I think I would be pulling it with a long bed duelly. That's a lot of trailer and weight. My opinion but it's with over 20 yrs experience in trucking and pulling trailers since I've been licensed (40 yrs)

 

The GVWR on that one is 16,500# So assuming that you don't overload the trailer:

15% = 2,475#
20% = 3,300#

4X4 CC Here is the trick... this truck is HEAVY by itself so you can't have a whole lot of pin weight. I'm going to guess you got a diesel, too which drops the allowed pin weight down even more... what is the GVWR of your truck? 8,800#? 10,000#?


where did you get those weights? They differ from the 2010 Raptor brochure:

Shipping Weight: 12,420#
Carrying Capacity: 4,080#
Hitch: 2,745#

 

I'll have to look at the weight on my door. I got the weight from the Keystone website. Those weights are for a 2010. So it sounds like I will need a smaller toyhauler.

Grey

 

I googled the keystone, thats one big camper..very nice, but very big!

 

The sticker on my door says

Front axle : 5,600
Rear Axle : 6,100
GVW : 10,000

What would my max hitch weight be? Also would these numbers be better? These are specs for a Keystone Raptor 322 Touring Edition II. It's a lil smaller.

Shipping Weight : 11,229
Carrying Weight : 5,011
Hitch : 2650
Length : 35'2

 

your hitch weight will depend on your curb weight... The only way to get that is to take the truck to a scale with a full tank. Your max hitch weight will be 10,000 - curb wt.

It's pretty rare that a pickup breaks GAWR before GVWR... but it's worth paying attention to.

with your numbers the 322 looks like it has a GVWR of 16,240#

That should have a hitch weight of:
15%: 2,436#
20%: 3,248#

by GVWR that trailer isn't much different... just more room for cargo.

 

I weighed the truck at a cat scale empty right before I moved with my 24ft Chaparral boat in tow with a 1/4 tank in it and it weighed as follows...

Steer Axle : 4,800
Drive Axle : 2,980
Gross Weight : 7780

With the boat in tow it weighed as follows.....

Steer Axle : 4,740
Drive Axle : 4,260
Trailer Weight : 6,540
Gross Weight : 15,540

So that means if I was full of gas and a hitch in the bed I would have a hitch weight of around 2,000????

I thought my truck could tow a lot more 5th wheel than some of the smaller ones on the market.....This is a real disappointment, I didn't think I needed a dually long bed to tow a 35ft 5th wheel.

Grey

 

what you have is true #'s now. So what you really needed to know was how much capacity you have on the axles.

So 6100 lbs rear axle minus the 2980 and that is how much you can still put on the axle.

 

Ok, so that would leave me with 3120 i could have on the hitch? much better. Of course that day on the scale I was the only one in the truck it had a 1/4 tank of gas and no 5th wheel hitch in the back. I'm still thinking I should be fine towing the Raptor with quads in the back....That should drop the pin weight from 2795.....So I should be good to go?

I just ordered a 18k superglide pullrite, with super rails and some Firestone airbags model #2450....Thanks for the info guys.....

Grey

 

Senix's advice will bust your GVWR... just so you know.

GVWR is a legal number that may cause a headache if you're over. You don't necessarily need a 350 dualie, but since even the SRW 350s have a higher GVWR they would increase your hitch weight allowance. You'd be surprised at how little a PSD equipped F250 can legally haul.


FAW : 4,800
RAW : 2,980
GVW : 7,780

FAWR: 5,600
RAWR: 6,100
GVWR: 10,000

5,600 - 4,800 = 800 //you can add 800# to the front axle before busting the rating
6,100 - 2,980 = 3,120 //you can add 3,120# to the rear axle before busting the rating
10,000 - 7,780 = 2,220 //you can add 2,220# to the vehicle before busting the rating

2,600# of hitch will bust the GVWR

 

Grey,,,,hold on if you can because the new raptors come out next month and that 36 fter is gonna drop by 7k. I know because I was out looking today at the 36 ft and 30 ft. I`m getting the 30` after the prices adjust.

 

It's obviously very difficult to do "what ifs" with so many different variables. Here are a couple thoughts.

As you know, some RVs have empty box weights greater than shown on the tag on the left side of the camper - but a number also have weights which are lower. I would suggest caution in becoming too focused on printed material. No matter what anyone tells you, they really don't all weigh more than the manufacturer says.

If you are concerned, you have a couple of options. Once you weigh your truck, and are seriously shopping, you can ask the sales manager to provide you with a written guarantee your "next last" RV will not exceed a certain weight or they can allow you to put your-pick-of-the-litter on your truck and take it to the scale. The rule I have always had is I do not run the wheels on something, if I am only out kicking tires. I only do this if I am serious about buying it. I could tell you some funny stories about dealers producing scales on the spot, when a sale was at stake. One thing you will discover is some towables do better on the road than others. If you don't have a truck, bring a friend's.

These things are big ticket items and it is not unreasonable to respectfully ask the dealer to work with you in determining actual weights. Doing this at least will give you an idea of where you stand before you throw everything but the kitchen sink into it.

My personal bias is to run well below my truck's ratings.

My two cents worth,

Steve

 

Yes based upon what I was indicating would put you over, But does give you an idea where you stand.

To make you legal, what you would need to do is see if you can re-register for a higher limit. MD where I am allows it. I am over the 10K myself.

I did do the airbags, but only for the extra stability and the convience to air up tires as well.