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Old 06-02-2010, 12:16 PM
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AC and P0354 Ignition Coil D Primary circuit fault

Sorry this is long but it could save you hundreds. I just thought I would post this as I'm sure it has happened before and will certainly happen again (just not to me). Hopefully, it will save someone time, money and aggravation. The issue here is something that leaves me questioning Ford engineering. Ok, so here we go. I have a 2008 Expedition EL and this past Friday while on the interstate I noticed my air not as cold as usual, at the same time I noticed a hesitation / stumble at speed. Upon exiting, at idle, the car had a bad miss and the AC now was nothing, just blowing hot air. It wasn't until I made it home (which was only a few miles away that the amber engine light came on. Ok, off to Advance and I will have the code read to figure out what was going on. The guy at advance relayed the code to me (P054 Ignition Coil D Primary circuit failure) and promptly informed me that the likely culprit was the coil pac as they are notorious for going bad on the 5.4. Although he did not know which cylinder I later deternined D was #4 on the pass. side closest to the firewall. Great, I thought $45 and some struggling against the firewall and I will have fixed one of the two isssues.

So, what happened to my AC? Maybe I have a leak and just need to recharge it I thought, but after looking into it, the compressor would not engage. Perfect, $300 plus to fix that one.

Oh well, back to the coil pac, in 15 minutes the new one was installed the truck fired up and..yep, still a miss. So, maybe the plug is bad and not firing. This in itself is a crime, the plug could not be found locally. Seems that Ford had an issue with plugs and mid 08 changed to a different design, of course no one had it except the local Ford dealer. Yep, $20 later and I had ONE plug (so between coil pacs and plugs this thing would be a $500+ tune up). Anyway, back to the truck to swap out the plug..you guessed it, fired it up and still a miss. So what is going on? Only then, after spending $70 and many choice words the problem revealed itself. When unhooking the connection to the coil pac for the third time, the BS tape used to guard the wires peeled back and there it was bald copper with a millimeter of just plain yellow insulation. How did this happen? A quick look at the AC lines and the puzzle was over. The wires in all their natural glory laid up next to the AC line, which got hot and melted the insulation and wire, killing #4 and grounding the compressor all at once. Two seemingly different problems yet, one cause. After struggling to reconnect the broken yellow lead and placing a 1 cent cable tie to keep it off of the AC line all is well. Cold AC and no miss. Now I can only wonder how much my local dealer would have taken me for. So, if your AC quits and you get a miss on #4, maybe you can save the $70 I spent and come away with only a modest dent in your electrical tape roll and a 1 cent cable tie!
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:22 PM
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Wow, nice solve! Thanks for posting this. Can you post a pic of the items and their locations? Thanks again.
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THANKS

Just had to post a huge thank you! My 2008 just did the same thing and sure enough, it was the same wire. We checked it first after reading your post. You definately saved us alot of time and money. Just had to say thanks a bunch!

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Thanks from My family too. We have a 07 Expedition w/ the same problem. The link above should take you to a picture of mine. I do have to disagree however w/ the cause of the A/C not working. I pulled my wires loose and started the vehicle still had the miss and no A/C. I then reconnected the rubbed in half wire and restarted. Everything worked again. My theory is that when the engine gets the dead miss from the wire being severed the computer cuts out the accessory that requires alot of horsepower in order to maintain as much as it can. Thanks again!
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After all my extensive searches, this was the fix!!!

Many thanks for posting your find. If I had read this before I replaced the same parts as you, could have saved $100.

And I guess being out of town when it quit working didn't help either. The green wire was basically gone where it had worn through on the AC hose.

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That was it!!

Thank you for posting this thread!! Exact same problems on my 2007 Expedition. Yellow wire was completely burned through. I spliced in another yellow wire I had laying around and wrapped it up good with electrical tape. Taped the lead to the harness so it would not happen again.

Why on earth do these problems always occur in the back of the engine compartment with tight access
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Hello Ford people.

I have a friend that has a 2004 F250 with this code and no AC. I looked at the wire from #4 coilpack to the harness and it doesn't look like the ones in the pictures. So sad.

Am I chasing ghosties with this and looking at the wrong vehicle?

Thanks for any help.

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:45 PM
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Wow, thanks 1lrover1 for the post. I know you posted it two years ago, but it was my situation exactly! I replaced the ignition coil because the code said #4 was bad, then when that didn't fix it I started to switch coils to see if the coil I bought was bad. That wasn't it. Returned the coil and searched the internet for a second time. That is when I found this post. Went to the truck ('07 Expedition) and took a close look at the wires coming off of #4 and sure enough that was it. It was a bear to try and work in the tight space. I got two butt connectors and cut the two wires, reconnected with the butt connectors and started the truck to test my fix. Sure enough, no misfire and the AC was working again. Shut it off, taped the crap out of it with electrical tape and made sure it was it wasn't touching the AC line. Good to go. Dealer suggested the plugs needed to be changed and wanted $600. I spent $3 on the connectors! Dealer probably would have found the bad wire and not told me and still would have changed the plugs to make the money...not this time! Thanks again for the post.
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Nice find. If your truck has brown boots change the plugs yourself. Use specified Moto plugs. Took me about two hours and that is going slow. It's not hard at all.
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I would re-wire the damaged portion, tape well then cover the area that makes contact with half of a rubber hose and zip tie that in place so the wear will be on the rubber hose-not the wires.
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thanks alot mind was the green wire but you help me alot
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THANKS! 2002 Ford Explorer

I have had the same exact issues with my 02 Explorer. When i read your post i got so excited because we have been trying everything to figure out the problem! Now i haven't checked it out yet but pretty positive tart this could be our solution as well. We got the coffee for a #4 misfire and at the same time the AC started acting up and then we got the po354 code. I'm going check it this morning and I'll post the results.
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Old 05-25-2014, 01:24 AM
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this bugs me a little bit, in terms of what auto parts stores are doing now with offering free DTC reading. a competent mechanic would have known that the primary circuit on coil-on-plug ignition systems is pcm controlled and the primary circuit is between the pcm and the coil pack, not the coil pack itself, nor the spark plug. the coil pack to the plug is responsible for the secondary ignition. he takes a guess and sells you a coil pack because they are "common" for failing, which undoubtedly they are, but they shouldn't set that code. probably just a p0304 for the #4 misfire. then when that doesn't work he sells you a spark plug. they are getting people to throw parts at their vehicle based off of no real diagnostic troubleshooting. a DTC can point you in the direction of the problem, but there is still several variables to rule out: the component involved, wiring, the module controlling it, a potential sensor reading the component, or is it a cause and effect type of problem? is this trouble code being set because of some other problem? (like his grounded out wire) these parts stores diagnostic advice is free because they have no credibility or reputation to uphold nor do they make no claims about it. they'll put their 2 cents in on what they think it could be, sell you the part and their job is done. they don't have to worry about comebacks. "just throw this ignition coil at it, it'll work, and if it doesn't, i'll sell you a spark plug" and it that doesn't work? doesn't matter, you're not paying him for diagnosis, he did you a favor by reading your codes for free. the store has their money, once the box is open, that part is as good as used. Good on you 1lrover1 to do some diagnostic troubleshooting, which all it took was a thorough visual inspection.
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Superb. Same problem on my 07 Expedition. Just started happening so the wire was salvageable with a ziptie and some black tape.

Great detective work.
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