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Old 05-23-2010, 01:05 PM
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Exclamation F250 hard shift even after replacing transmission. (1994 F250 7.5L E40D) *Please Help

Ok my apologies if this gets long winded but I have researched and replaced a bunch of parts and keep having the same problem. I even took my truck to a transmission shop and after $150 they told me it was a speed sensor (ABS) and that ended up being incorrect.


PROBLEM: OK so for the last 3 years my truck has been randomly hard shifting it would be fine for a few days or even a month. but more recently it does it all the time. I have read a lot of posts where people had the same problem but was able to be fixed quickly with a sensor. I have not been so lucky.


So before last week I replaced the speed (ABS) sensor on the rear differential. I then replaced the MLPS sensor (neutral safety switch) still had the same hard shifting. I was then told that since the trany is electronically controlled that the solenoid pack could be going out, so I replaced that. At the same time I replaced the solenoid pack I also replaced the torque converter. Still had the problem I then decided to replace the throttle position sensor, but yet again the truck acted the same.


So I was on my way to work Thursday and the truck felt like it was dropping out of gear and I thought that with all the changes I have made it has to be the trany. So last Saturday I replaced my transmission did all the normal stuff during the install of the new trany. New fluid new filter I even drained the fluid out of the torque converter. I bolted everything back up and took the truck for a drive. Same thing even with a different transmission. NOTE: The old trany had a mound of shaving that the magnet caught so driving while the hard shift was happening was not a great idea. I hope I can resolve this issue use so I can use my truck


So I went to the auto part store and asked if there is any other sensors that the truck uses to tell the trany when to shift. They found a pressure monitor unit (I know thatís not the name but donít know what itís called) and they said that it determines how fast the engine is running. So once again I paid more $$ just to find out that was not the problem.


Any help would be great.


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Ford Fuel Injection How To Run a Self-Test Try checking for trouble codes as described here may give a pointer to the problem.
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Agreed, see if you can get any codes for it, they may shed some light as to what exacyly is going on.
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Is your Speedometer working OK and steady?
If so, it sounds like it could be the Speed Control Module.
Try unplugging it and drive and see if that helps.

If not, try unplugging the RABS module and see if the Speedometer works OK and the problem goes away.
If the Speedometer still has a problem then it would be a PSOM or bearings in the rear end.
You would have to check the AC voltage from the VSS (ABS) sensor in the rear end to find out the item causing the problem.
You should get around 3.5 VAC from the rear end with both the PSOM and the RABS module unplugged.

Not sure if either of these will set a code but it is always good to check like Lazy K and LCAM-01XA said above.
If you do not know how to see if you have any codes in CM go to this link:
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I will check the codes again tonight in the past I have not had any luck pulling off any useful codes.. There the check engine light NOT on and the OD light does not blink. That is two questions I seem to get a lot.


On a side note:The last part that I got was a Master Pro Ignition - Sensor-Map (2ms22)
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The MAP sensor could cause your problem, check and make sure the vacuum line going to it is OK.
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Well this is interesting I got a new code that I donít remember getting before. Below are the codes that I received.
KOEO CODES:
111: System pass
10: Cylinder #1 Failed Cylinder Balance Test.
668: Transmission Manual Lever Position Sensor circuit open

KOER CODES:
111: System pass

I have replaced the MLPS (manual lever position sensor)/neutral safety switch already. Also replaced the plug that goes to the MLPS.
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IS the MLPS adjusted properly tho? Cause there is some play in it... Tho I don't think it would show up as open circuit.
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I set the truck to natural then aligned the two white marks up on the MLPS.


Side note: I just re-ran the KOEO codes and only received: 111,10. Did not get the 668 this time.



Where do I find the Speed Control Module & RABS module? Is the speed control module same as cruise control module?
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I believe speed control = cruise. Both it and the RABS are under the dash, IIRC to the right of the throttle pedal and kinda tucked in up there...
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I would like to know how you ran a Cylinder Balance Test on a bank injected engine.

That said the Speed Control Module is under the hood on the drivers side fender and the RABS Module is under the dash behind the glove box. Cruise control is a GM term, FORD uses Speed Control.

The Speed Control Module:
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RABS module is at C1 in this diagram:
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Subford: Donít know about the cylinder balance test that is just the code that showed up. Thanks for the great photoís this helps tremendously, I will try your suggestions tonight when I get home and will post my findings.


Thanks again for everyoneís help.

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By the way the 10 is a separator code and not a fault code.
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OK I unplugged the speed control module and took the truck for a test drive and it had no effect truck still shifted hard.


I then plugged the speed control back in and unplugged the RABS module and took the truck for a spin also had no effect still had the hard shift.


I have yet to test the voltage going to the vss sensor I will check that after dinner.


After I plugged the RABS back in I checked the codes and I got two new codes.
654: MLP sensor not in park position
452: Computer detected an error in the VSS or PSOM signal during the last 80 warm-up cycles
668:Transmission Manual Lever Position Sensor circuit open


Interesting enough there is a plug in back of the glove box that says PSOM that does not go to anything should that be plugged into something?
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Can someone tell me the correct way to test the voltage being sent to the VVS? I just want to make sure I test it correctly.
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