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Question Ignition Switch Tumbler Issue

My trucks recently developed a small problem with the ignition switch or tumbler. The key turns fine to start and run etc. When turning it off the tumbler hangs like the steering wheel lock is engaged or something even when its not. It will click and go past that point. I'm concerned that it is going to break or bind up at the worst time in the future.
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I'm considering replacing the tumbler, but I don't know if thats the problem or not. Any thoughts?
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I wish I had more info, but the same thing happened to my 93. It ended up fixing itself, and hasn't been an issue since. Tumblers are cheap, maybe not a bad place to start...
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Why not pull the lock cylinder and clean and lube it? If that helps then maybe fit a new one. If not then maybe pull the steering wheel and lube the steering lock.
There is a diagram of the `92 on column here somewhere (about a month ago) showing the lock internals.
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I wish I had more info, but the same thing happened to my 93. It ended up fixing itself, and hasn't been an issue since. Tumblers are cheap, maybe not a bad place to start...
Thats what I was thinking.
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Why not pull the lock cylinder and clean and lube it? If that helps then maybe fit a new one. If not then maybe pull the steering wheel and lube the steering lock.
There is a diagram of the `92 on column here somewhere (about a month ago) showing the lock internals.
Thats a good idea, whats the best lubricant for this?
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Thats a good idea, whats the best lubricant for this?
They make a dry lube just for locks. I'd say it's probably graphite.

I had a similar problem and it was (not sure what the technical names are) the rod going from the switch into the electrical switch box. (looks like a slider, with a contact point for each key position)

But that was on a 85 so I don't know if they are even made the same in the 90's.

Btw, the switch eventually broke and was stuck in the "start" position.
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I think I have some of that graphite lock cylinder lube in a spray can. If I remember right its kinda messy stuff.

I think my truck has the same type of rod that your 85 does. I remember dealing with it when I replaced the ignition switch.

The key is not hard to turn forward at all. It turns back to the off position fine too. It just hangs up when try to turn the key back to remove.

I'm going to slide it out and clean it up and put some graphite lube on it and see how it works.
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I just did some googling, and read alot of articles and threads where people say do not use the graphite lube. They say it can gum up the lock, I don't know about that, but I guess it could be true.
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I think I have some of that graphite lock cylinder lube in a spray can. If I remember right its kinda messy stuff.

I think my truck has the same type of rod that your 85 does. I remember dealing with it when I replaced the ignition switch.

The key is not hard to turn forward at all. It turns back to the off position fine too. It just hangs up when try to turn the key back to remove.

I'm going to slide it out and clean it up and put some graphite lube on it and see how it works.
Its been about 16 years since Ive had that truck but I'm pretty sure it was hanging up pretty bad turning the key forward.
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I just did some googling, and read alot of articles and threads where people say do not use the graphite lube. They say it can gum up the lock, I don't know about that, but I guess it could be true.
I've never used it so I couldnt tell you. Our padlocks we use at work are huge and I take the grease gun and inject lithium grease into the cylinder. But, those are outside and are subjected to highly corrosive materials.

I cant imagine a dry powder used in moderation gumming it up but I suppose it is possible.
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If I buy a new one, I'm getting a Motorcraft one.

Does anyone know the difference between the 6 different lock cylinder part numbers on Rock Auto? Orielly is the same way.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/se...150&vi=1122286

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MOTORCRAFT Part # SW2398 {#F3DZ11582C}
No. 3 Cut Letter C

$48.79 $0.00 $48.79
MOTORCRAFT Part # SW2399 {#F3DZ11582D}
No. 4 Cut Letter D

$48.79 $0.00 $48.79
MOTORCRAFT Part # SW2400 {#F3DZ11582E}
No. 5 Cut Letter E

$50.79 $0.00 $50.79
MOTORCRAFT Part # SW2396 {#F3DZ11582A}
No. 1 Cut Letter A

$50.79 $0.00 $50.79
MOTORCRAFT Part # SW2397 {#F3DZ11582B}
No. 2 Cut Letter B

$50.79 $0.00 $50.79
MOTORCRAFT Part # SW6383 {Includes Tumbler #1L3Z11582A}
From 8/30/95

$58.89 $0.00 $58.89
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I should have been more specific in my first post. The spot where it hangs is going from the off position back to remove the key. The key turns freely the rest of the time.

I wonder if something is loose.

I tried a light application of WD40 in the key hole and nothing has changed.
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Why not pull the lock cylinder and clean and lube it? If that helps then maybe fit a new one. If not then maybe pull the steering wheel and lube the steering lock.
There is a diagram of the `92 on column here somewhere (about a month ago) showing the lock internals.
Is there any way to lubricate the steering wheel lock without pulling the wheel?

I have messed with locking the steering wheel and releasing it to turn the key forward and that disengages fine and works like is should, so I don't even know if that is the issue either.
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I just figured something out! It hangs in the same position as the stop that wont allow the key to be turned back to be removed as if the transmission is in gear. I hope that makes sense.

Sorry for all the posts.
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http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/84...ition-fun.html Read here. The post by BChance gives a diagram of the assembly and the proceedure to get at it.
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