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Old 03-28-2010, 10:35 AM
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New Fuel Filter for the 6.0 from Ford? Motorcraft FD-4616

Does anyone know if Ford has come out with new fuel filters for the 6.0? I went to my local Ford dealership on Friday to purchase a set and the guy behind the counter handed me Motorcraft FD-4616. After looking for the filter for about 5 minutes he said it looked like Ford had changed the part number and increased the list price to $99.

When I went to put in on today I noticed that the main filter was different than the one I was taking off. The inner part of the filter that you push into the housing has a rubber gasket on it while the filter I replaced does not have one. The first thing I thought was that he gave me a filter for the 6.4. When I put the filter on it the plastic cover did not seat to the housing. I guess there is about a 3/16" gap. I figured it would leak, but it did not. When I got home and checked a filter online site the 6.4 product number is FD-4617.

I'm sitting here looking at the box and it says Motorcraft FD-4616 and I can not find anything on the internet regarding this filter.

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Old 03-28-2010, 10:40 AM
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Correction.

Fuel filter is $50 from dieselfiltersonline.com

http://www.dieselfiltersonline.com/F...s-Fd-4606.aspx

The new one is not listed yet... but it should be about the same.


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Motorcraft list it here:




Part Name: Fuel Filter

Manufactured By: Motorcraft

Part Description:

Part Number: FD-4616
Price: $99.98



Immediate question: what application that you have that you cannot use the cheaper one?




Part Name: FILTER ASY - FUEL

Manufactured By: Motorcraft

Part Description:

Part Number: FG-1095
Price: $89.98



I would email / call Dieselfiltersonline.com and see how much is their "updated" filter cost.

Bet you it will be $50.
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:46 AM
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If you go to this page bismic has posted a picture of the new fuel filter for the 6.0
Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums - bismic's Album: New Fuel Filter - Picture

I agree with gearloose1 I also buy from diesel filters online but I purchase the Racor Filter 34.89 who makes the filters for motorcraft

http://www.dieselfiltersonline.com/P...-Pff-4604.aspx
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:26 AM
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Immediate question: what application that you have that you cannot use the cheaper one?


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Are you saying that Ford has two fuel filters available now depending on your application?

There must be a reason they have switched filters. There is a big difference between the two. Note the inner gasket on the new one. Maybe the old one didn't do a good job of filtering. I don't know.

But, I have always bought my filters from the dealership. I did not know I could get them for 40 bucks elsewhere. I will make a note of it and buy elsewhere next time. The previous filter cost me $62 at the dealership and the new one cost $72
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:30 AM
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MOTORCRAFT Part # FD4616
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Key point: most dealers will negotiate over price at the parts counter...

20% parts and labor discount is not uncommon.
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What is wrong with the old filters?
Anyways, International dealers also sell filters cheaper than Ford. # 1847170c92 or 1847170c93
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My international dealer is closer and cheaper than Ford all the time.
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Old 03-28-2010, 04:38 PM
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What is wrong with the old filters?
Anyways, International dealers also sell filters cheaper than Ford. # 1847170c92 or 1847170c93
I believe the new filter will be International part number 1847170c94.

The old filter would allow some "bypassing" when the pressure drop through the filter got large. The new filter will not allow that - it will continue to restrict the flow instead.

I guess folks were experiencing some water getting to the injectors when they got really bad fuel. The primary filter would "bypass" and the secondary filter was not (and is not) designed or intended to "block" the water.
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It appears the new filter will cost more. But is it a better filter? If not everyone will probably be stocking up on the old one. I hope we find out soon as I will be buying a few extras.
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Wow, as usual Bismic answers my question before I can type it out. Bismic you must be Psychic.
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Old 03-28-2010, 04:47 PM
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I believe the new filter will be International part number 1847170c94.

The old filter would allow some "bypassing" when the pressure drop through the filter got large. The new filter will not allow that - it will continue to restrict the flow instead.

I guess folks were experiencing some water getting to the injectors when they got really bad fuel. The primary filter would "bypass" and the secondary filter was not (and is not) designed or intended to "block" the water.
Kind of like "pick your poison." Go with the filter that won't allow a little bypass under certain circumstances and risk a pressure drop that may damage your injectors or go with the filter that does allow a little bypass under certain circumstances but risk a little water reaching your injectors that can also lead to damage. Can't win for losing it seems.
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It appears the new filter will cost more. But is it a better filter? If not everyone will probably be stocking up on the old one. I hope we find out soon as I will be buying a few extras.
I would assume the old filter will go out of production and eventually only the new filter will be available.
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I think Ford went the right direction on this Frank. The worst situation would be the water bypass. I just get amazed though at what we have to "discover" when it comes to maintaining our trucks (two examples are the fuel pressure that you mentioned and the other is the EOTvsECT temperature difference).
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I think Ford went the right direction on this Frank. The worst situation would be the water bypass. I just get amazed though at what we have to "discover" when it comes to maintaining our trucks (two examples are the fuel pressure that you mentioned and the other is the EOTvsECT temperature difference).
Good point Mark. I think it's also important that we all should be draining the water separator on a regular basis. This will reduce the risk of bypassing water when using the old filter. The manual says to do this task monthly. I followed this schedule religiously for the first four years. But after finding only a couple or so very small drops occasionally, I've gone to every other month unless I'm on the road and fuel at a spot that is unfamiliar to me. Of course this won't help if you get a bad load of fuel, but it will help elimate the slow build up of water that occurs over time with repeated fuel ups. I read where some guys only drain theirs every oil change or so and cringe. This is like playing russian roulette with your injectors. Every little bit we can do to help ourselves goes a long way and is like money in the bank.

I still have a set of the old filters in my stash but I guess I will be restocking with the new filter when the time comes.
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