Potassium and sodium in oil?
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Potassium and sodium in oil?
I just pulled up the UOA results for the oil sample I sent Blackstone last week. They found traces of potassium and sodium and told me that it is most likely due to coolant in the oil. I read that the organic acid technology ELC was not a good mix with the early 99 injector cup sealant AFTER I did the switch. I should have switched back after reading that but didn't. How .
See the third tip in Gooch's coolant flush at this LINK
You would think that if they suspected coolant in the oil, no matter how it got there, there would also be a trace of water, but the sample had zero water. Makes me wonder. Anyone have any thoughts on this? They entered a ? mark in the column next to coolant.
What else could cause traces of potassium or sodium in the oil?
See the third tip in Gooch's coolant flush at this LINK
You would think that if they suspected coolant in the oil, no matter how it got there, there would also be a trace of water, but the sample had zero water. Makes me wonder. Anyone have any thoughts on this? They entered a ? mark in the column next to coolant.
What else could cause traces of potassium or sodium in the oil?
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Thanks for the oil cooler possibility and something to think about. With only 17 and 19 PPM respectively it is not likely, at least at this time.
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That's not to besmirch them in anyway. They are an outstanding wealth of good information, and solid tests for the oil... just when it comes to water, if it's there, it's bad. How much isn't really that important.
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Ding-ding-ding... we have a winner. If the source is coolant and is coming from a small, slow leak, then there is probably plenty of time for the water to vaporize and exit via the CCV route.
... especially given the potential variability inherent in the described "crackle" test.
This crackle test concept makes me wonder, though, because if that is what they are really doing, it is in now way a quantitative test. What is the next level in the results.... from 0, to "Trace", to "Some", to "Lots", to "Mostly"??? I honestly suspect that if they ar eusing a hot plate, then they are weighing the oil before heating, heating (for length of time at a temperature below the oil's point of volatilization), and then weighing the oil again, calculating the difference and reporting it as a ratio (percentage, ppm, etc.)
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This crackle test concept makes me wonder, though, because if that is what they are really doing, it is in now way a quantitative test. What is the next level in the results.... from 0, to "Trace", to "Some", to "Lots", to "Mostly"??? I honestly suspect that if they ar eusing a hot plate, then they are weighing the oil before heating, heating (for length of time at a temperature below the oil's point of volatilization), and then weighing the oil again, calculating the difference and reporting it as a ratio (percentage, ppm, etc.)
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Well hell Grant, I've had so many brain farts today I think I can smell them.
Good info Casper. Thanks. Maybe the pan wasn't hot enough.
The water boiling off is certainly a possibilty because when I do drive the truck I get it to full operating temp. Hardly ever used for just a quick trip.
A year and 9k with Final Charge ELC.
I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill but when I do the injectors in a couple of weeks I am going to do the cups. After Clay posted about the loaner cup tools I called him. This new Ford cup extractor mounts to the rocker pedestal and has a lever action that extracts the cup without leaving any shavings. It works without a large tap having to be screwed into the cup. It's never as easy as it sounds but it's got to be better then a slide hammer or a steering wheel puller.
Pete,
And I thought they were using some type of sprectrum analyzer.
Thanks for the posts gentleman.
Robin, don't quote me on this, but at some point in the past I spoke with the fine folks at Blackstone concerning my truck (I always called to discuss the results ) and IIRC, their water test was a "crackle" test. Seriously, like sling some oil on a hot plate and look for water popping. Based on that, I'm not sure how much credence I'd put on them not finding water... just putting that out there. May warrant a call to clarify "how" they test for water.
That's not to besmirch them in anyway. They are an outstanding wealth of good information, and solid tests for the oil... just when it comes to water, if it's there, it's bad. How much isn't really that important.
That's not to besmirch them in anyway. They are an outstanding wealth of good information, and solid tests for the oil... just when it comes to water, if it's there, it's bad. How much isn't really that important.
A year and 9k with Final Charge ELC.
I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill but when I do the injectors in a couple of weeks I am going to do the cups. After Clay posted about the loaner cup tools I called him. This new Ford cup extractor mounts to the rocker pedestal and has a lever action that extracts the cup without leaving any shavings. It works without a large tap having to be screwed into the cup. It's never as easy as it sounds but it's got to be better then a slide hammer or a steering wheel puller.
Pete,
And I thought they were using some type of sprectrum analyzer.
Thanks for the posts gentleman.
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When you do the Injector cups..Clays tool works great.
I got the virgin tool to do my cup project.
The only problem with it is the mount was built a tad weak and it broke on the first cup but I was still able use it broken to finish the job.
It uses a mount that bolts to the rocker stands and uses a screw action to remove and install the cups.
If you want a picture of it in action let me know ill post it in a new post with a write up ive been working on.
I got the virgin tool to do my cup project.
The only problem with it is the mount was built a tad weak and it broke on the first cup but I was still able use it broken to finish the job.
It uses a mount that bolts to the rocker stands and uses a screw action to remove and install the cups.
If you want a picture of it in action let me know ill post it in a new post with a write up ive been working on.
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When you do the Injector cups..Clays tool works great.
I got the virgin tool to do my cup project.
The only problem with it is the mount was built a tad weak and it broke on the first cup but I was still able use it broken to finish the job.
It uses a mount that bolts to the rocker stands and uses a screw action to remove and install the cups.
If you want a picture of it in action let me know ill post it in a new post with a write up ive been working on.
I got the virgin tool to do my cup project.
The only problem with it is the mount was built a tad weak and it broke on the first cup but I was still able use it broken to finish the job.
It uses a mount that bolts to the rocker stands and uses a screw action to remove and install the cups.
If you want a picture of it in action let me know ill post it in a new post with a write up ive been working on.
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