Originally posted by Flash The 278 is of the same family as the 302. It was Fords attempt at a disposable engine like the Chevy 305. When it wore out, you replaced the entire motor. Alot like the rear axles on the 81 Cougar/Bird where the races are part of the axle housing so when the bearings went bad you replaced the entire axle. My ex had one of them in a Cougar, got great gas mileage and was smooth running but she burnt it up sitting in traffic with a radaitor full of coolant. A real piece of technology.
I respectfully disagree. There has never been a "278" in the 302 family.
If Ford, GM, Chrysler and even the U.S. government can buy foreign, why can't we???
If a motor is good depends an what you want out of it. I have blown up a 390 and a 2300fordI4. and parked a 302, 351W, and a 318 before they blew up. I rebuilt the 4 and it lasted 6 months.
I have a 440 that should of blown up years ago but it keeps running and it still walks all over my 390. From what I have seen the sbc are good in a light vehicle, thats it. 302 are fine in something that wieghs about 1500 to 2000 pounds.
For all around in a truck I'de pick the 390.
For performance 426Hemi then 440.
For work I have to say diesel, Detroits last forever and run when they should'nt( I still hate them).
Best and worst engine. HMMMM. That is actually a pretty wide topic. Are we talking best for HP?, Cheapest to build?, most reliable?, most economical(efficient)?. Well here is my opinion based on the 12 different cars i have owned, countless others driven and numerous stories.
Most Torque at any cost- 7.3 Powerstroke
Most HP- BBC
cheapest to build- SBC(SBF a close second)
most indestructable- 300 I6
most efficient- 2.2 toyota I4(my 96 camry gets 39 mpg freeway)
However, The best, most reliable, put it in anything, carburated or fuel injected, easiest to work on, easiest to tune multipurpose motor that singlehandidly revived the era of muscle cars is without a doubt the good old 5.0 302!!
Ok I'm a 300 owner and I have been mudding with the best of the Fords. The 300 by far takes the abuse. The 351 is good until you over rev them and blow them, and the 460 has to be king for all out white knuckle power. The worst have got to be the GM 2.2 and the 305, can you say gutless turds? So by my book the 300 takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
I'm not a Ford owner, but several family members and friends own Fords, so I keep my ear to the ground here. Plus, I like Fords too.
Just to add my own little thoughts here,
Best Engines: Ford 300 I6, 7.3 IDI & PSD, Cummins 5.9, 350 Chevy, and my own engine, 4.3 V6. I'm especially fond of the two 6-shooters, the 300 and 4.3, since they both have a lot of heart and run forever (I've currently got over 216,000 miles on the stock 4.3 in my truck.)
Best engine I ever had was the GM 3800 engine. That engine went over 200,000 trouble free miles and still ran strong. The worst engine I ever had was the GM Tech 5 2.5-liter four cylinder. That thing never ran right and always left me stranded. What a POS.
My Toyota 4.7-liter v8 only has had 48,000 trouble free miles on it so far. I hope it holds up as well as the Toyota four cylinder motors do because Iím going to keep this truck for a while. Itís as smooth as a Swiss watch though.
220 HP @ 4800 RPM
302 TQ @ 3400 RPM With Spintech Sportsman XL muffler, stock air filter, and JBA headers
From my experience, the worst Ford gas engine is the 351M. Never ever had decent oil pressure from the day I bought it, had to rebuild at 119K miles, the only engine I've ever owned that needed a rebuild. But, that '79 F-150 that it's in, is still on the road today pushing 300K miles!
Best Ford gas is the 390, a good durable performer.
On the diesels, I never cared for the 6.9 or 7.3IDI, but whoaaaa, that Powerstroke changed my opinion on light truck diesels. I only hope the new 6.0 lives up to it's predecessor.
I noticed alot of favorable comments on the 300I6 gas. I think that inline 6 design is still unbeatable for durability. The Cummins 5.9I6 gets my vote for best diesel engine.
GMs 1.6L I4 used in the pontiac lemans you wont see many of those left, which runs a close tie with that all aluminum engine in the monza (dont everyone put a v8 in those anyway)
and anything with FIAT stamped on it
this is a hard one
honda 1.8L I4 cvcc engine (had 486,000 miles on mine and sold it and as far as i know he still drives it to work everyday)
toyotas 20 and 22r engines(sewing machines they may be but dependable)
mopars slant six (they put them in the ole mail jeeps for a reason ya' know)
i havent yet had my ford long enough to give it an honest opinion but i just bought a '80 f-100 with the 300ci I6 so we will see .so far im impressed with its amazing low end torque and its only got 130,000 miles on it but from most of the posts here it seems i made a good decision on buying the truck!
jeeps 4.0L I6 had one in a company commanche pickup i drove.
it almost 300,000 miles when i quit there in 96 and they are still driving it all they ever did to it was change oil ,plugs and brakes so yeah id say this is one of the most reliable engines ever made
Have owned/driven many different gas/diesel trucks-I'll briefly go over my opinion of best and worst,as far as my experience with them goes.
Best. 350 ci Chevy-very versatile torquey motor
300 I6 Ford- extremely dependable-no problems
318 ci Dodge- ripped more stumps out with this one then all
the others combined.
7.3L Navistar PSD- most worked engine in america
6.5L Detroit/Chevy Turbo-most people call it junk-it never
once failed me-worked it hard.
Cummins I6- never owned one-but without a doubt the
best going in a pickup.
5.4L Ford -great torquey motor -pulls and pulls for me.
292 ci I6 Chevy-couldint kill that lil thing.
(like but have not owned- GM6.0L- Ford V10.
Worst 4.2L v6 Ford-without a doubt the worst engine I've
ever had in a pickup.
454 ci Chevy-towing company had one-it pulled but
DRANK gasoline and wasint reliable(my experience
with it anyway)
Haven't had too much experience with different engines (I'm 16 and have been driving for about 4 months) but I have to say something about the 460. We have one in our 1990 F350 crewcab, and it has about 170,000 miles on it. It's never had any major problems since we bought it used in '93 with about 50,000 miles on it. We have taken it on many a vacation from Seattle to Yuma and back, driving through major desert areas in Nevada, Arizona, and California, including up and down the Grapevine several times. I'll tell ya, the temperature gauge on that thing has NEVER moved and has always been as cool as can be. I also have the 460 in my '94 F250 with about 98,000 miles on it and have not had one problem with that, even though I have owned it for only about a year.
HMMMM THE BEST ENGINE ID HAVE TO SAY A BIG BLOCK WETHER IT BE THE FORD 460 OR THE CHEVY 454 IVE GIVEN THEM BOTHALL THE HELL THEY CAN HANDLE AND THEY HANDLE IT SPEAKING OF THE 305 ITS A FINE ENGINE NOT A POWERHOUSE BUT VERY DURABLE IVE HELD THEM AT 7000RPM FOR MINUTES B4 NO PROBLEMS BY FAR THE WORT ONE EVER WOULD BE THE CADILAC 4.1 JUNK NO POWER LEAKY FOULS PLUGS THEY SUCK
Here's one nobody mentioned. How's about the 3.0L single overhead cam Triumph V-8. Triumph installed these engineering masterpieces in their Stags back in the 70's. They were counting on this car as a last ditch attempt from going under.(it was meant to compete with the Mercedes SL's, and cost nearly as much too!) Needless to say, they used the general public as there R&D department, and let's just say it wasn't good. At about 20k, these things started coming apart, blowing head gaskets, cracking heads, and thowing timing chains! I must be a glutten for punishment, I own 2 of 'em. Pretty rare cars for obvious reasons. My favorite fun engine is the Ford 2.3L turbo, they're nearly indestuctable, even with 15psi of boost. Favorite work engine, the Powerstroke of course. We had one at work go 276k with nothing done to it. It just started to get really hard to start when it was cold and well was just plain old tired. We had 10 vehicles with em' and ran the crap out of 'em. I do like the 429's, but haven't had enough time to play with mine yet to give a fair assesment. We'll see next week when I get the 'stang running!
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