Sure glad I have the V10. I just saw a 2010 F250 with the new 6.7 diesel in it. I swear they must have to remove the cab from the frame to work on it. I have never seen so much cramed under a hood. nice looking truck, but I'll bet the thing will be expensive to work on once the warranty is gone.

 

i believe they do in fact remove the cab for alot of repairs.

doh thought you said 6.4..

 

i did alot off work on those trucks a year ago and i think they are easier to work on than the 6.4.

 

the 08 and up trucks are designed to have the cab removed. it is something simple like 6 or 8 bolts, a few plugs and the cab is off. it is actually a very good design because it make access to the entire drivetrain a breeze rather than time spent trying to squeeze tools in places.


micky

 

the cab is removed to work on all of the superduty diesels it is just a lot easier on the 2008 and up to remove the cab

 

Well.... I'll be tared and feathered... learn something every day...

 

I have another theory: yes, for the dealeship tech removing the cab is a great way to go and makes it working on the engine a breeze. However, I do not think super-complex engines, whether they are gas, diesel, or whatever are a good thing. I believe simplicity breeds reliability, period. I'm not about to argure that the 6.8 V10 is a better performing engine for towing, or that it gets better mileage. It doesn't and pretty much everyone knows it. But after one look at any modern diesel I gotta wonder just how long it'll last until problems surface and who can afford to fix them when it goes off warrantee? Sure the accepted thinking is that diesel engines outlast the truck they're in, but the engine would be the least of my worries. How about all the wiring and electronics? Maybe they will and maybe they won't. My Dad's '07 Dodge wasn't even off warrantee before the electrical gremlins moved in, and spare me the anti-anything-but-Ford mantra, Dodge continues to make great trucks, but mechanical devices can and will fail, regardless of make. I'm also not a fan of trickery, such as the variable-pitch turbos for the same reason, more parts equal less reliability. Then you factor in the ever changing EPA regulations and all the crapola the manufacturers are forced to add to keep their trucks legal and it's only gonna get worse. But I will bet any amount of money that my V10 with it's simpler design and far less-cluttered engine bay will be around many years from now, when Ford is on it's 28th variation of diesel engine in the search for whatever it is the EPA demands next.
But here's something else to think about: when I bought my '68 Mustang in 2001, I bought it from the original owner. The car was 33 years old and had it's original engine, original carb, original water pump, trans, and on and on. It also knocked out 20mpg with ease and aside from a few rattles and squeeks, it drove as well as it likely did in '68. We're not talking about a Ferrari here, this was the very cheapest-built car you could possibly own at the time it was built, yet it was extremely economical and reliable more than 30 years after it was new, and I think it was largely due to simplicity. Can we say that about today's cars of any brand?

 

You said a mounth full there..... I couldn't agree with you more. I don't like to have something that I always have to pay someone else $80 to $100 per hour to work on.

 

How about this!

When I bought my 09' V10, I was talking to the sales rep about the 6.0L and the newer 6.4L. He was telling that the 6.0L over burdened the service department. They had only 1 diesel tech and they had to send out trucks to non-ford repair shops to give customers thier trucks back in a reasonable time.

That suprised me. you?

 

In the aerospace industry there is a saying by Bill Lear that I try to work by:

"Strive for design simplicity. You never have to fix anything you leave out."

Pretty self explanatory.

 

Before I bought my F250, I asked a freind who is the service manager at the local Ford dealer about any problems with V10's. He told me they have only had a couple V10's in there and they were due to exhaust studs, but they had a steady line of diesels day in and day out. Now, obviously with 95% of all the F250's around here being diesels, they are likely to get 95% of the problems, with all else being equal. But around here I honestly have never heard of a Ford gasser having a motor-related problem and aside from the rare plug-blowout on either a 5.4 or V10 my service manager buddy hasn't seen any either and that's saying something.

 

Had a F-250 with a 7.3 it was a good truck.I have my F-350 V-10 now and it would be very tough to steer me back into a diesel again.I think overall for daily driver the gas truck is by far the way to go.Can't say enough about the performance of the V-10. I pull a 33' boat with it and it does just as well or better than my 7.3 did.

 

I drive a 09 E350 SD w/V10 because I use a power wheelchair when I'm not behind the wheel of my van - 20,000 miles in less than a year. Since I haul a 10,000lb RV I need all the power and suspension I can get. The V10 gives it, although the 3 valve might give more. The only thing missing are rear duals.

That said - I have owned 12 vans since 1985, all Ford. The 85 was a super van with a motor I could work on without a computer or years of school that I didn't have. I rebuilt the carb and did a valve job and rebuilt the tranny without help. It hauled the mail and got 15MPG.

I think that the' 09 E350 SD I own today is the best van Ford has put out since that 1985 E250. But I can't work on very much of it. It gets 12MPG or if I'm hauling the RV, 8 MPG. I could care less about the milage - the V10 HAULS! I might keep this one a while.

If it only had dually tires in back.........

Peace, Larry

 

As you pointed out...there are far, far fewer 6.8 equipped trucks on the road than diesels. Having said that, the 6.8 does have a good reputation for being a very long lived engine with few weak spots.

 

Nope doesn't surprise me at all.

Was out for supper saturday night and saw that the local dealer still has a beautiful 2003.5-2004 King Ranch F-250 on the lot with the 6.0l in it. That truck has been on his lot a little after I bought my 04' in 04'. So the trucks been on his lot since sometime in 2005 or early. Its a really nice truck but I bet that 6.0l under the hood has had cancer for alot of years and the oasis is dirty on it.

I wish Ford would put more into the E-series. An E-350 with the 3V/5R110 and 4wd would be great IMO and do what I need. I saw a dealer in NJ stocks some E-350s with 6.8l converted to 4wd. Problem is $50k is hard to swallow for me.