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Van Nuys Airport in 1941 Known as Los Angeles Metropolitan Airport. Roscoe would be parallel to the runway at the bottom of the pic, you just see the SP RR tracks.
It seems that it musta' been planned before "prevailing winds" had anything to do with the layout, or was the original field the large area to the northwest of the buildings?.

Beale's Cut is still there today, though you have to know where to look to see it.

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The main runway was Parallel to the hangers, but had a small one that you can see at the end on the main runway for the winds. On a calm day now Van Nuys has a built in cross wind do to the buildings, when landing on the r/h runway you notice the change in wind at 94th aero squardron.
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You can see in this pic they used to have intersecting runways, where the Guard base used to be which is now where the fire helicopters are. The movie Casablanca was filmed there. If you get a chance try and see '"One Six Right" it is a really nice movie about the history of Van Nuys Airport.
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You can see in this pic they used to have intersecting runways, where the Guard base used to be which is now where the fire helicopters are. The movie Casablanca was filmed there. If you get a chance try and see '"One Six Right" it is a really nice movie about the history of Van Nuys Airport.
There are a bunch of websites dedicated to VNY. Here's a good one:
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The URL for On-Six-Right mentioned on this page has been changed to:
http://www.terwilligerproductions.com/onesixright/

My old office at The Jet Center was almost astride the old, closed, E/W runway.

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Beale's Cut is still there today, though you have to know where to look to see it.

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Photo caption says Fremont's Pass, but John C. Fremont had nothing to do with making the cut.

Beale's Cut is visible when driving north on Sierra Hwy, but you gotta look close, and quickly....or you'll miss it.

Huell did a show on it several years ago.

Y'all know about Van Nuys and Bob Hope (formerly Burbank, formerly Lockheed) Airports, but don't forget Glendale had an airport at one time: Grand Central.

The terminal building is still there...
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....and today is reportedly being used by one of the studios as storage space.
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I had a friend, now deceased, who worked for Cal Aero at Grand Central as a test and acceptance pilot for Col. Moswley after WWII, and flew out of there. The company made a fortune modding used US aircraft for subsequent give-away to foreign countries.

Grand Central Air Terminal closed in 1959.

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Here's a pic of Grand Central from 1953

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Being the youngster in this group, I had never heard of Beale's Cut.

So, did Tom Mix really jump his horse over it?

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I can't imagine a horse being that stupid, but that's the story, and they're sticking to it!

Today, it's over half-filled. due to slides.

Here's how it might appear today:
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I can't imagine a horse being that stupid,
They are very high on God's list of stupid creatures. That photo is definitely doctored, and the Tom Mix film has been lost. I don't know if anyone knows for sure if it actually happened.

Have any of you chronologically advantaged folks ever been through the cut? Foot or vehicle?
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They are very high on God's list of stupid creatures. That photo is definitely doctored, and the Tom Mix film has been lost. I don't know if anyone knows for sure if it actually happened.

Have any of you chronologically advantaged folks ever been through the cut? Foot or vehicle?
When Huell did the show, he and the local historian couldn't say one way or the other inre to the Tom Mix shot, but IMO, it was prolly done with a split screen.

I've seen it, but never been close to Beale's Cut, as it's on private property behind a chain link fence.

There's a book on LA landmark's, historic sites that was first published in 1965. Three or four updated editions have since been published.

All say Beale's Cut was destroyed when the 14 Freeway was built. Obviously, the author is clueless.

It also says LA's first re-enforced concrete building was torn down. It was not! It's still there at 1000 S. Hope Street.

Formerly home to the Earle C. Anthony Packard distributorship (and KFI), it was converted two years ago into apartments.

This building was the site where the first two neon signs were located in North America. Both said Packard.

Steve's post 22: The photo of Grand Central Airport taken in 1953 looks like P-51 Mustang heaven. That's a Ford Tri-Motor (aka Tin Goose) in the 2nd photo. The Ford script is visible on the tailfin.

btw: There's a scene in the John Ford film Stagecoach (1939) that shows the stage being driven thru Beale's Cut. Andy Devine at the reins, George Bancroft riding "shotgun."
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When Huell did the show, he and the local historian couldn't say one way or the other inre to the Tom Mix shot, but IMO, it was prolly done with a split screen.

I don't have time to watch it right now, but that episode seems to be available online:
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This is according to the SVC historical society.

"If you've been around town awhile you've probably seen the photo of silent Western star Tom Mix and his wonderhorse Tony supposedly jumping over Beale's Cut. For years, folks have speculated whether it was Mix or a stunt double who made the jump, and whether the jump was actually made at all or if the photo was a composite.
Robert S. Birchard answers the question in a book called "King Cowboy," an exhaustive anthology of all the old Tom Mix movies.
The jump sequence appears in the 1923 film, Three Jumps Ahead. Birchard says yes, the still photo was doctored — if you look carefully, you'll see that the horse and rider are twice as small as they should be in proper perspective — but also yes, the jump was really made — not by Mix or his horse Tony, but by their stunt doubles. Earl Simpson, a horse trainer and stunt man with a ranch in Searchlight, Nevada, made the jump on his stunt horse with the help of a wooden ramp they used to gain altitude.*
Although the footage of the jump survives in a promotional trailer made by Mix in the 1930s, the film itself is lost, as are many of the old Tom Mix movies that were filmed in and around Newhall in the 'Teens and '20s."
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Before John Ford 'discovered' Monument Valley, he shot many Tom Mix, Pete Morrison and Harry Carey films in the Newhall area.

Three Jumps Ahead was one of them.
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Those are some great photos. Technologies have come a long way.
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