I was able to borrow a motor manual from a friend. It lists the 332 at 7.5 compresssion and 180hp at 3600rpm. torque is 312 at 2600rpm the 292 is listed as 135hp at 3800rpm and 245lbs torque at 1800rpm Its funny, every year listed has different torques listed for the 332 even though nothing else has seemed to change on the specs. one year lists 312lbs while the other year shows 260lbs torque. Both years using the same carb.

 

Here's the torque indicated in my '61 shop manual.

292 MD 270@2000
292 HD 274@2600
302 HD 280@2800
332 HD 307@2800

RPM is a clever way of manipulating hp and tq figures. How does the RPM compare with the differing figures throughout the years?

 

Ok wild bunch you got my head cranking here.

Will theese clark and NP 5spd ODs work behind the old 292? How heavy are we talking here? The t98 aint light either you know.
Lastly......Will they clear in a 64 F100 2wd without a ton of mods?

I live in a obscure, rual, farming area. So this may be somthing to look for.

 

I am amazed that there's some that just don't seem to get this (above)!!

When I had my 292 rebuilt the old guy at the machine shop told me that I might have to run mid-grade or premium gas to prevent "ping" but it would probably use less gas!! With usually less than 5% difference in price now-a-days, it's just not a factor1

I'm also using an automatic bolted to the back of my 292 (pics in gallery)......But it's a BIG ONE! It will handle all the weight I can put on the back of that thing!


If I didn't have the automatic, I would definitely use the T-98, as it too is plenty heavy for the job!

Yes those Clarks will

Cheers,


Rick

 

How much more was a gallon of premium 'back in the day' over the price of a gallon of regular?

In 1965/66, it was four cents. It was about two cents in the 1950's. In 1965/66, I worked weekends at a local Standard Station in Bel Air, CA.

Standard Oil gasoline prices back then: Regular: 29.9 / Supreme (95 octane) 33.9 / Custom Supreme (105 octane) 35.9.

 

I don't know where you're getting this 5% delta on regular vs. premium fuel. Since the oil situation of a couple of years ago, premium went to thirty cents higher than regular, at least here in Texas it did. At today's price where I buy fuel that's $2.53 for regular vs. $2.83 for premium which works out to about a 13% difference.,

For many years before the gas price took its run at $4 a gallon, it was only about a dime or fifteen cents difference, once the price increase hit, the oil companies couldn't leave that one alone. They had to squeeze us for a little more.

 

I don't necessarily read "back in the day" to be 1950 or 1965 etc.

I remember when when premium gas was around 15-20% higher than regular in some places. That would be 15-20 cents when gas was about a buck......

(In Ventura btw, I was buying regular at Hancock for 19.9 when I was in high school......It actually got as low as 17.9/gal for a short time during the war! (gas war) ............ I never bought "Ethyl")


But the differences now in SOCAL are rarely even 10% and are usually less. Plug ZIP CODE 91605 in the "Gas Buddy" to get SOCAL

Running premium in a high compression engine (10:1 ) vs running regular in a much lower compression large displacement engine (7:1 etc) might actually be cheaper by the mile!

Your math is correct. but of course it depends on where you buy the gas.

I was talking about Reg vs Mid being around 5% in the example below, it's only a roughly 3.5% increase over regular......

The difference of premium over regular is about 7%


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I found a station in KS for example that has a $0.020 spread from reg to premium. Notice that Mid= Prem price....

That's a 7.9% difference

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That of course probably changes daily. When the price gets higher for all grades, the (%) "spread" usually gets smaller.


Now, if you're getting 10 mpg with the low compression Lincoln, and you only get an increase of 1 MPG with the "Hot Rod" Lincoln, That's a 10% increase in fuel economy, with a less than 10% increase in price of fuel.



I don't have gas mileage numbers for low compression engines vs high compression engines..... But we ALL know that a higher compression engine will produce significantly better mileage than a very low compression engine in a truck. (by significantly I mean 2-3 MPG.)

If you're getting 10 and it goes 15 with higher compression and using premium gas, that's 50% better mileage using my calculator.....

so,

At 10mpg and $3/gal gas, that's 3$ per 10 miles. (or $0.30/mile)

If you go to 15 MPG @$3.30 per gallon) it becomes $0.22 per mile.

100 miles with both would cost $30 vs $22.




To get the same cost per mile, with $3.30/gal premium vs $3.00/gal REG .....And starting with a 10mpg(low compression) engine and going to a higher compression engine, you only have to increase the mileage to 11MPG to make "break-even" ($0.30/mile)


I think one would get better than a 1 MPG improvement by going to a higher compression engine (high enough to REQUIRE premium gas)


SO doesn't it at least appear that it would be worth it? (and of course, this doesn't consider the increase in power that you ALWAYS get with increased compression.....just keep "your foot out of it" of you want to have increased mileage!!)




Cheers,



Rick

 

For the guy who was contemplating the 332 or 368 fro his 350, The transmission swap will be complicated by finding a bell housing. That engine has a unique bell housing pattern and they aren't plentiful. The 368 is a far hotter engine than the 332. The best the 332 ever put out was 212hp in 59. Those 368s were closer to 300. These were great engines often confused with a big block.

 

Ditto on the 368s. Never owned one like ND, but was around a 56 Lincoln Mk IV coup while a friend was repairing it. Shot a picture of the exhaust manifolds which sure looked like stainless!

 

The truck 332 is a Lincoln Y block. Ford used it in the heavy mediums and light heavies. Not a hot rod engine, but one that would pull all day long.
These were governed engines, so top RPM was not much above 3400 / 3600 RPM. Now, you could replace the distributor (I think original one only had centrifugal advance) and carburetor to eliminate the governor and get higher speeds. They do suck the fuel though. They were designed to last long in severe use, a very conservative engine design with low compression and low RPM.

If you are looking at towing heavy, at interstate highway speeds, it may not be your best choice. But with enough time and money it might. It should fit in your F350, as it mounts the same way as the truck 292.

 

Thanks for all the responses. I really wasn't worried as much about the mileage as I was getting the trailer down the road. The trailer weighs 7,200lbs empty, and is tall.
I picked up the 332 the other day, more a project than a running unit, like I was led to believe. It has the bellhousing and tranny still attached. The motor is complete, except for the vibration damper and belt drives. However,
this unit sat out in the weather. The distributor cap was left off, so guess what the insides look like. I also pulled the dipstick, and I guess there's 2inches of water in the pan. There was no air cleaner on it either. Now I'm wondering about the 368. It has an automatic behind it. If its a good motor, would the flywheel and bellhousing from the 332 bolt up to it?

 

My recollection of the price of premium over regular in the late 60s and early 70s is pretty much what others recall: something like 32.9¢ for Regular and 35.9¢ for Premium. However, what I do disagree with is that this wasn't much, at least in the perception of many. In the region I lived in, which was mostly farming country, premium fuel was generally seen as an expensive waste of money.

I note here that people have odd ideas of expense, as many folks would spend a few dollars (then and now) on some frivolous thing, but would get all upset over a 29¢ toll telephone call (which is one reason why the bills are itemized for such small expenses -- then and now).

So my statement wasn't concerned so much with how much difference there was back in those old days between regular and premium, nor some of our memories of the hoary old past, but rather the perception of expense -- quite a different and much more subjective thing to measure.

Where I live in Texas, my recent recollection of gas prices and the differences between grades matches pretty much what HT32BSX115 quotes for Kansas, with the difference between Regular, Midgrade, and Premium being about 10¢ between each "step," which is about 4%.

I can't say what it is elsewhere in the state, but the prices are reviewed and posted in our area fairly often:

Plano Gas Prices - Find the Lowest Gas Prices in Plano, Texas

 

I dont think weight will be a problem for you. My little flathead does good pulling on level ground. Its the wind that is a killer. on a windy day I can really fell it. And a camper is a big wind catcher! You will need the extra power on a good windy day

 

I have picked up at least 3 Y's in the past that were in the same type condition you decribe. Exposed to the elements wth no air cleaner on top, and water in crankcase. Given the condition of the 332, I would definitely seek out that 368. If you decide later to go in a different direction the 368 is easy to sell on the HAMB.

The 332 rockers with their lower ratio should work in the larger engine as a means of detuning. I noticed yesterday while cleaning up that I still have a new lower ratio Linc Y rocker assembly if eventually you could use it. Dont know about the bell and flywheel.

 

Well, its official, this motor is now a boat anchor. After soaking blaster for 3 days, I got the spark plugs out. When I got to #4 on the passenger side, a good bowl of water gushed out. So I started messing around the intake. All the grease and dirt in the valley needed cleaned out. Well, it turns out that pile is in the entire valley. The cover plate was rusted through, half of it it missing. I pulled the intake, and will start to pull parts off it today, as long as the rain stays away. So my plans are now to just put in a new clutch for now, and run the truck around for show season.