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Old 02-10-2010, 09:39 AM
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64 4X4 Unibody ranger?

I just read an add claiming to be a factory 1964 unibody 4X4 ranger in Temecula, CA, now I can't find it again. The truck is teal/white and has all the stuff in the pictures. The guy said it was a special order from a ford exec...
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:00 AM
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I just read an ad claiming to be a factory 1964 unibody 4X4 ranger in Temecula, CA, now I can't find it again.

The truck is teal/white and has all the stuff in the pictures. The guy said it was a special order from a ford exec...
Uh huh...
Ford was forced by the NHTSA to cancel the Uni mid model year 1963, because of safety concerns.

When the frames flexed, the doors could...and did pop open. People actually fell out of the cabs when this occured.

4WD was not available in Uni's.

The Ranger was introduced for model year 1965, which began in September 1964.

Rangers were not available with 4WD until 1973.

IF the seller claims all this jazz, did he/she provide the provenance in the ad?

The provenance = proof = would consist of the VIN and codes on the Warranty Plate.

Without a provenance, this is BS = CACA del TORO!
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btw: There's a supposed 1964 F100 Ranger in Riverside, CA. It's a FAKE!

This truck was at the 2008 Western Nats held in Yorba Linda CA. Don (camperspecial65) and I spent an hour looking it over.

It's a 1964 F100 Custom Cab, NOT a Ranger. The hood side "Ranger" emblems were made up from mylar, the bucket seats have a non Ford upholstery pattern, and...in fact...aren't even from any Ford. They appear to be seats from a late 1950's British MG-A. It has a molded plastic headliner.

After speaking with the owner, he admitted making it up. Then after we walked away, he told the owner (Karl) of the truck parked next to his...that his "Ranger" had the "Galaxie option."

More BS! Karl laughed in his face, because he knew there was no such thing as a Galaxie option for any truck.

Karl has been in this hobby almost as long as I have, has owned dozens of Galaxies and trucks, is a Ford historian and has been the SoCal Galaxie Club treasurer for many years.
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When the frames flexed, the doors could...and did pop open. People actually fell out of the cabs when this occured.


Bill, I've always been curious about this flexing. Was it caused more from twisting of the frame? Or maybe it was more of a problem with the lwb. I used to have a swb unibody that seemed to have no problem handling loads. A previous owner had even cut holes for stacks right thru the boxed piece that ran across the body (right behind the cab)!
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Actually you could order a "sport package" for 64 which gave you a set of buckets and console. The package was to be used in 64 model year F-100 XL's equipped with "427 galaxie option" engines. This is right on a ford motor company flyer to advertise for the trucks... So i call bull on Bill...As it clearly sez GALAXIE OPTION. So it was offered but no additional 64 F100XLs were ordered due to ford upper managment killing the program.

Chuck Brands site is down that had fords advertisment. It had all the DSO order info to purchase a 1964 F100 truck at your friendly ford dealer and have it sent to DST for modifications. I saved the image to an old hard drive i will have to dig it out.

Here is a tidbit that needs updating from Coachbuilt "Two Ford F-100 XL Pickups were also built by Hotton during the same period. Essentially an F-100 on steroids, it was planned to be a factory muscle truck and featured Ford’s 425hp 427ci engine, the same unit that was in the Fairlane and Falcon drag cars. No further examples are known to have been built, and neither vehicle survives." We know at least one survived and is still owned by the original buyer.

All the pieces that appear in the 65 ranger are installed in the original 1963 F100 XL from the factory. Rear cover, falcon sprint buckets (Mustang was not in production) and console and a few other chrome goodies that do not appear in 65 like a chrome mirror, chrome dash end pieces and chrome heater deflectors. So ford did tool things up to offer this as a pre ranger. As the truck left the line with everything but a engine and transmission.

Getting to the 4x4 uni. No unis were offered in this configuration. This does not mean that a dealer may have added a NAPCO or M/H conversion to it and maintained a ford warranty. I still find it ironic that fords largest failure is one of its most collectable trucks.

This is the third california truck i have heard of to claim to be a 64 and a factory uni. the first two have vins of F10 (owner sent me the VIN) which is a 2 wheel drive VIN.

The vin does not lie as no four wheel drive ever left the factory without the correct identification. The vin would not be modified at the point of conversion as it was all ready regestered in the system under the 2 wheel drive VIN.

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Actually you could order a "sport package" for 64 which gave you a set of buckets and console. The package was to be used in 64 model year F-100 XL's equipped with "427 galaxie option" engines. This is right on a ford motor company flyer to advertise for the trucks... So i call bull on Bill...As it clearly sez GALAXIE OPTION. So it was offered but no additional 64 F100XLs were ordered due to ford upper managment killing the program.

Chuck Brands site is down that had fords advertisment. It had all the DSO order info to purchase a 1964 F100 truck at your friendly ford dealer and have it sent to DST for modifications. I saved the image to an old hard drive i will have to dig it out.

Here is a tidbit that needs updating from Coachbuilt "Two Ford F-100 XL Pickups were also built by Hotton during the same period. Essentially an F-100 on steroids, it was planned to be a factory muscle truck and featured Ford’s 425hp 427ci engine, the same unit that was in the Fairlane and Falcon drag cars. No further examples are known to have been built, and neither vehicle survives." We know at least one survived and is still owned by the original buyer.

All the pieces that appear in the 65 ranger are installed in the original 1963 F100 XL from the factory. Rear cover, falcon sprint buckets (Mustang was not in production) and console and a few other chrome goodies that do not appear in 65 like a chrome mirror, chrome dash end pieces and chrome heater deflectors. So ford did tool things up to offer this as a pre ranger. As the truck left the line with everything but a engine and transmission.

Getting to the 4x4 uni. No unis were offered in this configuration. This does not mean that a dealer may have added a NAPCO or M/H conversion to it and maintained a ford warranty. I still find it ironic that fords largest failure is one of its most collectable trucks.

This is the third california truck i have heard of to claim to be a 64 and a factory uni. the first two have vins of F10 (owner sent me the VIN) which is a 2 wheel drive VIN.

The vin does not lie as no four wheel drive ever left the factory without the correct identification. The vin would not be modified at the point of conversion as it was all ready regestered in the system under the 2 wheel drive VIN.

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I just knew you'd chime in with this horse dung. Most of what you typed is just that...horse dung.

Arguing with you is like talking to a wall, because you will never get it.

Your info is based on hearsay and rumor, and crap you've read on internet sites.

Where is your provenances for all this info? You have none, because there isn't any.

I was a Ford partsman in 1962, the same year you were born.

So..who do y'all think would have the facts, someone who worked at a dealer back then, or someone wearing diapers?
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I've seen the literature that backs Dave's statements...

Bill I know your books know a lot, but you nor anyone else knows everything. You were a parts guy, good for you. You saved the parts books, Good job. Your ego is noy easily contained by the entire internet, not cool. When I read your posts I rarely think "wow, this guy is good for looking this up" I mostly think "I bet that pompus *** wouldn't talk like that to his face"
FWIW In my whole life I've met two guys that worked at dealerships that I would let do any more than put fuel in anything I own...
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I've seen the literature that backs Dave's statements...

Bill I know your books know a lot, but you nor anyone else knows everything. You were a parts guy, good for you. You saved the parts books, Good job.

Your ego is not easily contained by the entire internet, not cool. When I read your posts I rarely think "wow, this guy is good for looking this up" I mostly think "I bet that pompus *** wouldn't talk like that to his face"
FWIW In my whole life I've met two guys that worked at dealerships that I would let do any more than put fuel in anything I own...
In addition to being a Ford partsman, I've spent over 50 years studying automobile history, have over 3,000 books in my library on this subject.

Since 1956, I've owned over 80 Ford cars/trucks ranging from a 1936 Lincoln to a 2008 Ford Fusion, and over 240 makes of other vehicles.

I'm no different in person than I am on the internet. Ask Bill W, garbz2, camperspecial65, gangstakr what I'm like...as I met and spoken with all of them.

In addition to these members, I have met well over 100 other members in other forums here on FTE, as I attend all our local chapter GTG's.

I may be an egotistical SOB, but, I usually know what I'm talking about.

FWIW: How many dealership employees have you met that have an MA, an IQ of 163 and belong to Mensa?

I'm the only one I know of...but there may be others.
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I couldn't read much of that, but on the bottom it said dearborn steels conversion price.
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Just to be clear, I don't buy that a 64 truck would have all that stuff, I posted this to see if anyone else had seen it. I think it's funny...

There have been a lot of things that Ford and the other manufacturers have done over the years that aren't in the standard parts publications, because they weren't standard. unless you were in every factory 24/7 throughout the sixties you can't say for 100% sure what rolled out the door....
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Bill, here is a mission, Please prove what the DSO-TTMS-0001-1AC4 ford order actually gave the buyer.

Accoriding to the litrature it is, and i quote.

" Now new glamor and comfort in a '64 ford truck custom cabs with optional bostrom bucket seats with center console,nylon twist carpeting and special viynal-trim panel behind the seats. Available, F100, F250, Red or Black. DSO-TTMS-0001-1AC4"

You insist its bull, i insist if they took the time to issue a dealer order code it existed.

What we are sparring over is history. I provided the written proof (well the canuck did) and you need to research it. Please use original ford documents and literature to prove me wrong.

The 64 you are in a tither over has this option. The owner purchased it Many years ago as a take crap to the dump truck. and untill the advent of Slick60s and FTE really did not know it was special. It has the bostrom buckets (this is why they look funny and unlike stang or falcon seats), console, carpet and back cover. Yes he took some liberties on the restoration, but its his and he can do whatever he pleases with it as his name is on the title.

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Ok...a couple of added bits to the fray...regarding the 64 Bill and I saw at the '08 West Coast Nats...what Bill said is spot on...one thing I POSITIVELY heard was the owner said he had the warranty plate made!!!
The XL100 drag truck...well known to purists...I think only 2 or 3 were made...an integral bodied shortbed...as I recall...
Lastly..Fords biggest failure/flop or whatnot....hmmm...where to begin...Edsels...highly collectable today and Ive become quite well versed in them as a good friend of mine has 2 58's...1 jr series and 1 sr series cars...plus a TON of Edsel and late 50s FoMoCo/Rotunda items...fluids, waxes, etc...
Another mess for Ford...though not a flop...Pinto...the fuel tank ordeal...
But as far as trucks specificly go the unibody wasnt a flop per se...it did pretty good in sales...just not as good as the conventional trucks people were used to...lest we forget there were also Econoline trucks along with the falcon Ranchero.
Documentation is key to proving the oddball configurations...


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Please explain to the masses just how many model 81 conventional 2 wheel drive trucks that were sold with the 57 to 60 bed for the 61 and 62 model year. I have yet to see one 61 F100 or F250 with this bed. I have see very few 62s. And a crap load of 63s.

If after placing all your egg's in one basket and having the entire truck line shut down due to engineering and saftey difficulties is not a failure? They sold well as they were the only thing offered for sale. Other than cab and chassis, stake bed or four wheel drives. Ford really took a hit, luckily the still used the older beds on the four wheel drives, and had the tooling on hand.

If the edsel failed it was one car of a line of cars offered by Ford, if the entire light truck line failed Just how many additional light truck lines did ford have to keep sales going? (crickets)

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