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Old 02-01-2010, 04:54 PM
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That makes sense, but I did the same thing when I used the ITP in-tank/pre-pump filter kit.

Still, though, that only works while you're running because it only addresses the benefit of circulating agitation within the tank as a whole instead of only at the pump suction foot. Once you're truck is down for the night, you still should use something else to maintain fuel fluidity so that it will flow on startup in the morning.
I've never had a no-run gel situation until the engine was put under load. The fuel will still flow, but the filters will separate the wax until it plugs the filter or screens, or the lines to the filters or screens. If you can get warm enough fuel flowing to redissolve the wax it prevents gelling.
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I don't see why the fuel couldn't easily be heated to well above 10F in cold weather with relative ease.

Wire (in with your block heater) a heating pad (they're about 12" by 12", 110V) for sore backs and attach it somehow (glue? tape? idk here) to the underside of the fuel tank.

They're a few hundred watts, easy enough to protect from the elements with some rubberized undercoating and will keep your fuel warm enough to prevent gelling.
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Shirtsleeve weather, Huh?
Sure thing! I can't believe I look foward to +20 degree days - but they are a hell of alot warmer than the -20 ones!
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Interesting stuff.
Do you have some #1 diesel to try that out with?
Here we go sir. Since tonight it will possibly get down to -12F I'm finally getting around to another gelling test.

I have 3 sample bottles set outside.

1. a 50/50 mix of #1 and #2
2. #1 Diesel
3. a 50/50 mix of #1 and #2 with Schaeffer's Winterized Dieseltreat

Put the samples out at 2 pm, +13F. You can easily see the variation in colors of the different samples.

I'll post some more pics after they sit overnight - should be about -10 F by 6 a.m.

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Just curious does your #1 sample have any soy in it? I was thinking SD had 2% but I am not sure.
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Just curious does your #1 sample have any soy in it? I was thinking SD had 2% but I am not sure.
No soy/bio in this sample. Minnesota requires 5% but SD does not yet.
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Just curious does your #1 sample have any soy in it? I was thinking SD had 2% but I am not sure.
I should have added,

there are many stations in SD that do include 2% soy biodiesel, there is one here in Sioux Falls but I did not get the fuel from there. Now that I think of it I should have gotten some fuel from there also!

This test is never going to end is it.............
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No soy/bio in this sample. Minnesota requires 5% but SD does not yet.
Ok I wasn't sure. I have had trouble with MN #1 gelling due to the 5% soy. Looking forward to the results in the morning.
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Ok, here are some additional pics.

at 6 pm, 4 hours after being place outside, the temp dropped to 9 degrees F. All samples still remained clear.

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at 8:30 PM the OAT was +5 F, #1 Diesel sample remained clear. The 50/50 mix samples both started to show some haze/cloudiness, but no wax drop out.

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at 6 a.m. the OAT was -7 F. #1 Diesel remained clear. Both 50/50 mixes were cloudy but the untreated 50/50 mix was cloudier than the 50/50 mix treated with the anti-gelling additive. There was some wax drop out in the untreateded 50/50 mix, very little compared to the straight #2 pics posted previously.

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at 8 a.m. OAT was -5 F. Same observations as 6 a.m.

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Some wax drop out on the bottom of the untreated 50/50 mix container. A thin layer, hard to see in this photo.

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some additional pics of the untreated 50/50 sample.

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better add the treated 50/50 mix picture for comparison. So even with a 50/50 mix of #1 and #2 it seems the additive did make a difference with this fuel at these temps.

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....This test is never going to end is it.............

Rich... that's just the way it goes when you ride the "continual improvement" train.

Thanks for following up on this and continuing the work. If I can get a chance, I'll compile the entire set of pics and discussion points into a single PDF file for you for easier reference and sharing with others. Might be a week or so, though, before I can get it all pulled together.
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Thanks Pete, that would be great....... take your time - I'm not going anywhere.
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