Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 01-19-2010, 01:27 AM
Packard V8 Packard V8 is offline
Junior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 85
Packard V8 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Timken 2-speed axle - ever seen one ??

I was in a bone yard and saw a Timken 2-speed axle which is very little larger than the small Timken used in the 3/4t and 1t trucks. Anyone ever seen one? Any idea as to what gear ratios it might have had?

thnx, jack vines
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-19-2010, 08:37 AM
bobj49f2's Avatar
bobj49f2 bobj49f2 is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: SE Wisc. (the Rust Belt)
Posts: 11,766
bobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to beholdbobj49f2 is a splendid one to behold
For '48-52 F-5 and F-6 had them as an option, I think they might have come standard on F-6. One of the guys with the big trucks should pipe in and confirm this.
__________________
Old trucks, it's a sickness-one I hope they never find a cure for!
Bob Jones--Fat Fender Aficionado--FTE member since '96
49 F-2 pickup/48 F-1 panel truck
48/51 F-4 flatbed (2 in 1)/49 8N tractor

www.fatfenderedtrucks.com

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-19-2010, 10:05 AM
truckdog62563's Avatar
truckdog62563 truckdog62563 is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 6,083
truckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to behold
Jack - Ford's two speed ratios on both F-5 and F-6 (1952 reference) were either 5.83/8.11 or 6.33/8.81. I believe earlier and later year Timkens would have been the the same but will see what the others can add on the subject. I'll be interested in watching your post over on STT to see if Studebaker ratios were different. Stu
__________________
Stu McMillan
'52 F-3 Marmon-Herrington 6R32-4 - in progress
'51 R3-4; '51 LD7-4 Ranger; '50 R3-4 - pending projects
'51 F-3; '51 F-3; '52 R32-4, '53 6M254 -parts/donors
'97 F-250 4WD/460/ZF5 - trailer duty
'03 E-450 Fun Mover; '07 E-350 parts hauler; '13 E-350 Lab taxi
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-19-2010, 10:29 AM
Packard V8 Packard V8 is offline
Junior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 85
Packard V8 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Hi, Stu,

The experts over on STT don't find it as a listed option on Stude 1t, but that's where I saw it. Knowing Ford used many of the same Timken axles, thought I'd ask a wider circle of experts for info.

BTW, I'd love to see a photo of the F-5/6 axle referenced. Those 5.83/8.11 or 6.33/8.81 ratios would be much lower than a 1t E15 V8 Stude would need, so the F-5/6 might be the much larger axle than the one I saw. Again, the one I found was the same size as the small vertically-split Timken.

thnx, jack vines
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-19-2010, 10:58 AM
truckdog62563's Avatar
truckdog62563 truckdog62563 is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 6,083
truckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to behold
Oops, wait a minute. I didn't look close enough. The Timken split case was the single speed standard axle, the optional two speed was a banjo (I assume Eaton) axle. Sorry. Stu
__________________
Stu McMillan
'52 F-3 Marmon-Herrington 6R32-4 - in progress
'51 R3-4; '51 LD7-4 Ranger; '50 R3-4 - pending projects
'51 F-3; '51 F-3; '52 R32-4, '53 6M254 -parts/donors
'97 F-250 4WD/460/ZF5 - trailer duty
'03 E-450 Fun Mover; '07 E-350 parts hauler; '13 E-350 Lab taxi
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-19-2010, 12:35 PM
rb48f6's Avatar
rb48f6 rb48f6 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SE / NWL MI
Posts: 410
rb48f6 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Yep, Eatons were the 2 speeds used in lower series Fords. Model 1350 on the F5 and F6 as an option, 17500-1 on the F8 from 48-52. A Timken 2 spd was available as an option starting in '58 on the F,C 1100. For 51-52 the Eaton model 16600 was added to the F7 as an option. Hmmmm, misfiled my pics, I'll snap a couple of a 1350 under my 48 F6 and post shortly.
__________________
Bob
'48 F6.5; 391FT, 5x3, 2spd (progress - stalled), '77 F750 CC
'11 F150 5.0L FX4 157 Supercrew (on order), '09 Fusion, '62 641, '01 FLHTCUI, '10 FLHTK
Prev: '00 F250 SC 7.3 4x, '92 F350 CC 7.3 4x, '89 F250 4x, '86 Rngr 4x, '68 Bronco 4x
FTE Albums:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/members/rb48f6-416521-albums.htm
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-19-2010, 01:30 PM
rb48f6's Avatar
rb48f6 rb48f6 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SE / NWL MI
Posts: 410
rb48f6 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Pics of an Eaton 2 speed under a 48 F6. This one has the 5.83 / 8.11 gear set of the 2 ratio sets Stu identified. And looking through the data I have the 2 speed was optional on both the F5 and F6 (conventional and COE) as BobJ stated above. The 1350 was used on the F5 and F6 through '56 (500/600). And through '57 on the F,B,P, 500 and C550. This one is shifted with vacuum vs electric, Big Jobs were electric. Not sure when change to electric was made on the F500/600's '53?
Attached Images
   
__________________
Bob
'48 F6.5; 391FT, 5x3, 2spd (progress - stalled), '77 F750 CC
'11 F150 5.0L FX4 157 Supercrew (on order), '09 Fusion, '62 641, '01 FLHTCUI, '10 FLHTK
Prev: '00 F250 SC 7.3 4x, '92 F350 CC 7.3 4x, '89 F250 4x, '86 Rngr 4x, '68 Bronco 4x
FTE Albums:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/album.php?u=416521
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-19-2010, 02:02 PM
rb48f6's Avatar
rb48f6 rb48f6 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SE / NWL MI
Posts: 410
rb48f6 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
And here's a pic of a Timken 2 speed that was holding the back end up on a '47 Dodge WJA59 3 Ton. Only other one of these I've seen is at the Golden Age of Trucking Museum in CT. Not a Ford, but a good looking truck for '47. They had a more promounced square front end unique to other models. I had the problem Havi has with his F8 tho', no way to get it home But then I wouldn't be here with this great group...
Attached Images
  
__________________
Bob
'48 F6.5; 391FT, 5x3, 2spd (progress - stalled), '77 F750 CC
'11 F150 5.0L FX4 157 Supercrew (on order), '09 Fusion, '62 641, '01 FLHTCUI, '10 FLHTK
Prev: '00 F250 SC 7.3 4x, '92 F350 CC 7.3 4x, '89 F250 4x, '86 Rngr 4x, '68 Bronco 4x
FTE Albums:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/album.php?u=416521
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-19-2010, 10:29 PM
Packard V8 Packard V8 is offline
Junior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 85
Packard V8 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thanks for the photos, guys. Neither of those is the vertically-split small Timken on which I'm looking for information. The search goes on.

thnx, jack vines
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-19-2010, 11:15 PM
rb48f6's Avatar
rb48f6 rb48f6 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SE / NWL MI
Posts: 410
rb48f6 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Looking for information on a vertically split with 2 speeds? Or just info on a vertically split Timken? If a 2 speed on a vertical split, it wasn't an add on unit or like the old Halibrands that a friend had in a '42 Ford coupe. Otherwise I'm guessing you're getting into the 30's era trucks?
__________________
Bob
'48 F6.5; 391FT, 5x3, 2spd (progress - stalled), '77 F750 CC
'11 F150 5.0L FX4 157 Supercrew (on order), '09 Fusion, '62 641, '01 FLHTCUI, '10 FLHTK
Prev: '00 F250 SC 7.3 4x, '92 F350 CC 7.3 4x, '89 F250 4x, '86 Rngr 4x, '68 Bronco 4x
FTE Albums:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/album.php?u=416521
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-19-2010, 11:21 PM
Packard V8 Packard V8 is offline
Junior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 85
Packard V8 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
I had a friend that had a '42 Ford coupe with a 2 speed rearend,
The Ruckstall 2-speed rear axle was a popular dealer-installed option on Fords from the 20s to the 40s. Much smaller than the Timken in this 1t truck.

thnx, jack vines
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-20-2010, 03:19 AM
truckdog62563's Avatar
truckdog62563 truckdog62563 is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 6,083
truckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to beholdtruckdog62563 is a splendid one to behold
Jack - I looked through my old 1953 copy of the Motors repair manual a while ago and found only the style Timken that Bob has pictured. Nothing split like our Timken 51524s, and having a two speed feature. So I'm at a loss. Stu
__________________
Stu McMillan
'52 F-3 Marmon-Herrington 6R32-4 - in progress
'51 R3-4; '51 LD7-4 Ranger; '50 R3-4 - pending projects
'51 F-3; '51 F-3; '52 R32-4, '53 6M254 -parts/donors
'97 F-250 4WD/460/ZF5 - trailer duty
'03 E-450 Fun Mover; '07 E-350 parts hauler; '13 E-350 Lab taxi
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-20-2010, 10:16 AM
rb48f6's Avatar
rb48f6 rb48f6 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SE / NWL MI
Posts: 410
rb48f6 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Hey Stu / Jack~
I saw in a post yesterday by Penn Dick a reference he made to a winter quick change rear end from 1 ton Ford and Stude's. I PM'd him the link to this thread and asked if he would share his wisdom....
__________________
Bob
'48 F6.5; 391FT, 5x3, 2spd (progress - stalled), '77 F750 CC
'11 F150 5.0L FX4 157 Supercrew (on order), '09 Fusion, '62 641, '01 FLHTCUI, '10 FLHTK
Prev: '00 F250 SC 7.3 4x, '92 F350 CC 7.3 4x, '89 F250 4x, '86 Rngr 4x, '68 Bronco 4x
FTE Albums:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/album.php?u=416521
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-20-2010, 10:47 AM
Packard V8 Packard V8 is offline
Junior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 85
Packard V8 is starting off with a positive reputation.
We're ready for any help from anywhere. I'm familiar with the early QC racing rears which used the single-speed Timken gears, short side housing and axles. However, AFAIK, they didn't use anything from the two-speed. That's because in fifty years of working with trucks and race cars, I've seen hundreds of the single speed Timkens in Studes, Fords, Jeeps, fork lifts, loaders and other machinery and dozens of the QC rears but this is the first small Timken two-speed I've ever seen under anything. If Timken single speed parts are getting scarce, imagine looking for two-speed parts!

thnx, jack vines
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-20-2012, 04:46 AM
C.Hero C.Hero is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 3
C.Hero is starting off with a positive reputation.
I am in the process of building a 1952 F5 COE and have a 2 speed rear axle that I don't need. I am not allowed post to classifieds yet but thought I would revive this thread and see if there is any interest in one of these. I don't really know what condition the axle is in and wouldn't be looking for much more than the scrap value. Basically it's in my way in the shop and I don't need it. However I would hate to scrap it if someone else needs it for their project. Same thing goes for the front as well.

Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2012, 04:46 AM
 
 
 
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1950 F2 Rear Grease Seals Cougar54 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 7 08-10-2014 11:57 AM
5.14 Timken F4-F6 Ring & Pinion mooe WTB - Parts & other 0 03-23-2013 09:09 PM
1999 F-250 Timken part # signsbystormy Super Duty & Heavy Duty 5 04-04-2011 08:48 PM
Timken to 66 axle in a 49 F-2 38 coupe 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 6 12-31-2010 10:27 PM
Eaton 2 speed axles HT32BSX115 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 10 07-25-2006 05:22 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks

Tags
2speed, 450, axle, axles, book, eaton, end, face, ford, herrington, marmon, rear, speed, split, timken, truck

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


Participate In The Forums

Create new posts and participate in discussions. It's free!

Sign Up »





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford® is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup