I recently had my truck in for the 05E15F recall and rough starting and missing when cold, as well as an oil leak.
They replaced 5 injectors and found the ICP sensor leaking oil, so they replaced it (would have been replaced in the recall) but they didn't flash the newest flash. Mine has the VXBC9N8. Is there a reason they didnt reflash to the newest that came out in november TSB 09-24-3?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...-for-6-0s.html

Am I really mising anything not having that flash?

thanks
Richard

 

If there is no problem that you complained about that is fixed by later flashes, and you don't specifically request it, there is no necessary reason why they should flash to the latest one.

Sometimes, the tech will do so anyways, but not flashing when not needed comes under... if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Whether you get the flash is.... now.. up to you.


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My own 2005 truck had been in the dealer numerous times since new, never got a new flash since new (which means I avoided the worse FICM killer with the induction heating programming), and got flashed Oct 30, 2009 with the known revision to the FICM induction heating turned down, and missed the better November 2009 flash.

So what is better?

AFAIK, I am running on the original FICM, GPCM, PCM, etc. and before Oct 30, they had the factory programming.

Now I have the 2nd latest flash as of today...

You tell me.

 

I Understand what your saying. My truck was running rough skipping etc. So I assumed they would do that flash with the repair. My truck has the original ficm pcm and hasn't been flashed since Aug of 05.

 

I had my truck in a couple of weeks ago and I asked about the flash.. they had to replace 3 injectors when it was there and they said that they are required by Ford to do the latest flash if they do any work on injectors.. I don't know if they where blowing smoke up my butt though.. they didn't document any flash.

 

we are in fact required to reflash the pcm and then retest for cold start issues. its part of the prior auth required to replace injectors under warranty.

 

Is this true for and ESP warranty, because on the invoice it said the "ficm and pcm already at current level" ?

 

esp falls under a different set of rules, the auth process is different some. I dont know why a tech would give up .6 in flag time for gravy.

 

I don't know why either, hook it up and work on something else while its programming. Do you think there would be a benefit to having the new flash? Do you think if I called Ford customer service they would do anything?

 

I read the TSB for this new flash but did not specifically see that it improves the reliability of the FICM. Did I miss a detail? If it reduces the load on the inductive heating program I definitely think that would be helpful. Has anyone seen a negative yet?

Steve

 

Are you sure you don't have it? Just b/c it isn't listed on your bill doesn't mean it wasn't done. I had the same concern, I called the dealer on Mon since I got the truck back Fri, and they confirmed it INDEED was done. Call the dealer first and ask, unless you already did that. Is it still running rough/ skipping?
EDIT: Mine still has the VXBC9 strategy after the flash, unless the dealer is just plain lying that it was done

 

I'm pretty sure I don't have the latest since the program in the pcm says VXBC9N8

 

Thats what mine is- VXBC9N8- before and after the flash. SM says it WAS flashed, I asked in another thread does the strategy change after the flash? IIRC someone said their strategy was NOT the same? Maybe one of the techs can confirm or deny this?

 

I hope someone can confirm this too.

 

I would also like to know! The "strategy codes" is an area that I am unfamiliar with. I appreciate the post!!!

I will say - as cheezit did - they should have put the most recent flash in w/ your rough start symptoms. It is definitely an easy task, and worth it to the tech to do!

 

The latest flash may only be a FICM flash and not necessarily a PCM flash. Just because you change the FICM "tuning" doesn't necessarily mean a PCM tune change is required. The latest FICM flash is probably ONLY to recalibrate the very agressive inductive heating strategy. I know that my PCM strategy didn't change after my last (and latest) reflash. I know that (at least some of) the 05's and up are getting a new PCM strategy with the reflash.