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Possibly looking for muscle car

Have The Beast up for sale / trade. Am thinking about the idea of using the money for purchase of a muscle car. Not looking for a show quality / all original / numbers matching car. Want something I can use as a daily driver. Thinking along the lines of a Fairlane / Torino or possibly Galaxie. Want a big block, need auto. ( bum leg, can't push clutch ), buckets & floor shift. Just looking right now, if you have one, contact me here at or E-mail 1maehyun@gmail.com. Please put in the subject so I know it's not or junk. Near St. Louis, not wanting to drive cross country. Must be running / driveable, no projects please.
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There is no such thing as numbers matching on Ford's of this vintage as there were no VIN's stamped on mechanical parts until the mid 1980's.

Numbers matching is a GM thing.

A Galaxie is not a Muscle Car. The term was originally coined in the mid 1960's for mid-sized cars that used the large V8's used in the full sized cars.

The first Muscle Car was the 1964 Pontiac GTO that came with the 389 used in previous years full sized Pontiac's.
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There is no such thing as numbers matching on Ford's of this vintage as there were no VIN's stamped on mechanical parts until the mid 1980's.

Numbers matching is a GM thing.

A Galaxie is not a Muscle Car. The term was originally coined for mid-sized cars that used the large V8's used in the full sized cars.

The first Muscle Car was the 1964 Pontiac GTO that came with the 389 from the full sized Pontiac's.
Thanks for the info. Always thought the Mustang was the " first " muscle car. Guess that's the blue ( oval ) blood in me. First car was almost a '65 Galaxie 2 door with a 352. Didn't have enough money for the car & insurance at the time ( 16 years old & in high school ). Nearly bought it anyway.
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Thanks for the info. Always thought the Mustang was the " first " muscle car. Guess that's the blue ( oval ) blood in me. First car was almost a '65 Galaxie 2 door with a 352. Didn't have enough money for the car & insurance at the time ( 16 years old & in high school ). Nearly bought it anyway.
Since the term Muscle Car, as originally coined, represented mid-sized cars (Torino/Fairlane/Montego, Pontiac GTO, Olds 442 and etc) that used the large V8's found in the full sized passenger cars, a Mustang is not a Muscle Car, because it was never considered a mid-sized car.

A Mustang is a Pony Car.

This term was originally coined from the Mustang in the late 1960's for Mustangs, and its competition: Camaro's, Trans-AM's, AMX's, Javelin's, Barracuda's, Cougars and etc.

The problem is...that today...the terms Muscle Car and Pony Car have become muddled, as people do not remember, or are too young to know that there was once a big difference between these cars.

I'm 65, and have been in the car hobby since the 1950's, so I remember all this jazz, and was a Ford partsman before any of these Muscle or Pony Cars cars were made.
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Since the term Muscle Car, as originally coined, represented mid-sized cars (Torino/Fairlane/Montego, Pontiac GTO, Olds 442 and etc) that used the large V8's found in the full sized passenger cars, a Mustang is not a Muscle Car, because it was never considered a mid-sized car.

A Mustang is a Pony Car.

This term was originally coined from the Mustang in the late 1960's for Mustangs, and its competition: Camaro's, Trans-AM's, AMX's, Javelin's, Barracuda's, Cougars and etc.

The problem is that today, the terms Muscle Car and Pony Car have become muddled, as people do not remember, or are too young to know that there was once a big difference between these cars.
Guess I never paid that much attention. Knew Mustang was a pony car, Always thought that got started because of the horse reference ( Mustang, pony = both horse terms ). Mustang was actually spin off from the Falcon wasn't it?
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my neighbor is selling his 65 or 66 galaxie w/ xlt upgrade, and a rebuilt 352 also has a wagon to go w/ it, solid car, only thing is that it is in NJ
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Guess I never paid that much attention. Knew Mustang was a pony car, Always thought that got started because of the horse reference ( Mustang, pony = both horse terms ). Mustang was actually spin off from the Falcon wasn't it?
Pony (Car) was derived from the Mustang name. Lee Iacocca was the father of the Mustang which used componets mainly from Falcons/Fairlanes.

There was a competition between the different FoMoCo Divisions to style the car. The Mustang as introduced in April 1964 (as a 1965 model) was styled by the L/M Division, who called it Cougar.
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Actually Bill, I think that they introduced it as a 1964 1/2 model.
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Actually Bill, I think that they introduced it as a 1964 1/2 model.
The Mustang was first shown to the public on April 17, 1964 at the NY World's Fair and went on sale world wide on April 23, 1964.

Ford never refered to the car as a 1964 1/2. It was a 1965 from the get go.

The day the car was introduced, I was the back (shop) parts counterman at Ralph Williams Ford in Encino CA.

This dealership, the largest seller of Ford vehicles on the planet at that time, was mobbed by people wanting to see and buy the car.

The Mustang was an absolute sensation when it came out. No vehicle, from any automaker...before or since...has ever generated more showroom traffic than the 1965 Mustang.

Ford introduced a whole slew of new vehicles early, for example: 1969 Econolines in February 1968, 1969 Continental Mark III's in April 1968, 1970 Maverick's in June 1969, and 1983 Rangers in March 1982.

According to FoMoCo, there is no such thing as a 1968 Econoline, 1968 Mark III, 1969 Maverick, or 1982 Ranger.

The only Ford refered to as a 1/2 that I know of, was the 1963 Galaxie fastback which was introduced mid-year 1963.

Ford called it a 1963 1/2, but, it was registered as a 1963 model.
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like to thimk the first muscle car was the Pan American road race Lincolns, then the 1956 265hp Fords and Mercurys that required a Kit be installed at the dealersihip that included a steel crank, different rods and pistons, an Isky E-2 cam and lifters and 2 mars top Holley 4bbl carbs.. These were not Muscle Cars using the definition listed above but they sure had a lot of muscle. There was also the Dodge D-500 and the
D500-2, Chrysler's 300 series, Mercury's Turnpike Cruiser,Fuel Injected Rambler Rebels, Pontiacs, Chevy's 2X4bbl 270hp and 283hp FI cars and the Olds J-2. And the list goes on.
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I think that the Pan American (Mexican) road races started in the forties!
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I think that the Pan American (Mexican) road races started in the forties!

I think they did, but the Lincolns I'm thinking about were OHVs that were equipped wth a lot of unheard of stuff for the day, like 4bbl carbs or more than 1 2bbl, I know that the cams were Chet Herbert roller cams and lifters.
I don't know for sure but i seem to remember that they were prepped and entered by Bill Stropp and Associates. This was before Holman-Moody got nearly all of Ford's business. Stropp kept the Mercury end of Ford's racing 'til the mid '60s though and then they merged with H-M.
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Just a quick update folks, in case anybody was looking, The Beast has now dropped to price $2,500.00. On The List at $3,000.00 down from $3,500.00. Have found something I might be interested in, need cash. Please note if your neighbor / friend might be interested, they need to tell me they saw it on for that price.
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No, actually a 3 in 1 deal. 2 AMC Eagle Wagons & 1 AMC Concord. 1 Wagon needs tranny work, 3 trannys with car. 1 wagon is for parts, the Concord is for additional parts ( eng. / tranny already removed ). Don't know if you know the AMC Eagle or not. It is a 4 wheel drive car, produced by AMC before Mopar bought them out. It was used to help make some of the stuff for Jeeps.
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