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After looking at this picture and my oil pan it makes mine look more like a mid sump. Id really hate to buy it and it not fit again but it just mite give me the clearance i need over the crossmember without notching my crossmember.
 
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The rear sump pan is the normal one used with the MII suspension crossmember. The little hump in the front is for the oil pump, and it fits in front of the crossmember, just above the steering rack. This leaves plenty of room for the main sump behind the crossmember, allowing the engine to be forward enough to have firewall clearance. I think you would be happy with it.
 
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Ill check the junk yards tomorrow and see if they got any cheap if not ill start saving lol.
 
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unless you can find someone that has used that pan sucessfully in a MII/460 situation, i wouldn't spend any more money on pans, All the guys that have that combo(460MII) that I know, have used mid-sump pan. Without firewall mods. The notch in the crossmember is really an easy solution.
 
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Originally Posted by B/B ford
unless you can find someone that has used that pan sucessfully in a MII/460 situation, i wouldn't spend any more money on pans, All the guys that have that combo(460MII) that I know, have used mid-sump pan. Without firewall mods. The notch in the crossmember is really an easy solution.
Id really hate to cut into that crossmember you know. Maybe ill get up enough courage to try it tommorow sence i already got the materials to do it, Thanks for the support B/B
 
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Originally Posted by jniolon
it will fit... I promise. How close are the rear of the heads to the firewall ???

my heads are 1.5" from the firewall and we did 'releave' the crossmember to make the clearance needed... you might consider raising the block some to give you clearance, but it will probably require some firewall work..

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Sam Detweiler has a running 460 in his '56... he should be along shortly with some more in...

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How much steel did you cut from the top member to make it fit? I cut about 2 inchs and it still kinda hits a bit and my trans crossmember is now hitting my brake booster.
 
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I know my motor (351c) is different than yours but i had the same problem. I cut the MII crossmember like John said. I also had a rear sump pan but it still would not fit. At this point i was not getting anywhere so i just cut my oil pan in the front of the hump to get it to fit. I have looked around for a pan that would fit the measurements i know need and its 600.oo so im just going to weld up my own. I also have to move the pickup back as well, oh well!!! Good luck!!
 
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When you are setting your pan clearance it is necessary to move the engine back as far as possible towards the firewall. I'm thinking that I only have about a 1/2" clearance on the driver side.

Also the more you shift that weight back, the more it will help your handling and give you more clearance for your radiator and fan.
 
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Old 11-29-2009, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by B/B ford
When you are setting your pan clearance it is necessary to move the engine back as far as possible towards the firewall. I'm thinking that I only have about a 1/2" clearance on the driver side.

Also the more you shift that weight back, the more it will help your handling and give you more clearance for your radiator and fan.
Yeah ive been trying to find that sweet spot but no luck. I didnt have time to play with it today got stuck cutting fire wood all day long, lol... I did find a 460 foxbody mustang rear sump pan and pickup on craigslist for $50 bucks its the one in the picture a few posts up and they want $150 plus shipping for it new so i think ill go buy it on tuesday and im pretty sure everything will fall into place for me.
 
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Nordvik72 Ihave a 54, with 460/C6...however, I have Volate FE, engine sits above crossmember with clearance, using mount smilar to one in BB illustration. I use stock Volare p/s, everything aligns. Didn't think I would like big block w/Volare, but works good. Also, f100central on web has extensive list of motor mounts, might check them out if I am soon enough. Lts of luck!
 
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Nordvik72 Ihave a 54, with 460/C6...however, I have Volate FE, engine sits above crossmember with clearance, using mount smilar to one in BB illustration. I use stock Volare p/s, everything aligns. Didn't think I would like big block w/Volare, but works good. Also, f100central on web has extensive list of motor mounts, might check them out if I am soon enough. Lts of luck!
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so i think ill go buy it on tuesday and im pretty sure everything will fall into place for me.
And............................................... ....????????????????????????
 
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LOL sorry to leave you in suspense Old F1 I drove 2 hours out to seatle last night and picked the pan up looks to be in good condition only paid $50 bucks for the pick up tube and pan. Im not able to check the fit till tomorrow because I have to work late night. I will be sure to post lots of pictures.
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And............................................... ....????????????????????????
So finally i got some free time today to check the fit of the pan and thank God it finaly all fits, lol... Here are some pictures.







I will finish welding and cleaning everything up tomorrow cant wait to bolt the 460 back in for good.
 
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Good work, finally, if you had listened to the old gray haired guys sooner.

Man, that 460 is a big sucker! Stole the pictures, thanks.

The motor mount “towers” look like they need a horizontal cross brace tying them into the top of the frame to resist twisting (or a side gusset).
 


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