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Old 11-07-2009, 10:32 AM
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It's so frustrating wanting to rep so many comments and I can't.......Shorebird, maybe we can get 2 terrorists from Gitmo to hold him up for the firing squad?
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why am I not shocked to see someone named nidal malik hasan go on a killing spree???
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Sorry but, Army personnel inside have reported that as he started shooting he was yelling "Allah Akbar" just like other terrorists on a jihad. The Army commander at a news conference reported this also and said they are investigating.
Sorry but...I hadn't read that yet. My main point was that he was not weaing terrorist clothes. Those are traditional Islamic garments. Do terrorists wear them? I'm sure some do, some don't. But not everyone who wears them is a terrorist. Some are faithful followers of their religion and do so in a tolerant manner, without espousing violence against others.
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Sorry but...I hadn't read that yet. My main point was that he was not weaing terrorist clothes. Those are traditional Islamic garments. Do terrorists wear them? I'm sure some do, some don't. But not everyone who wears them is a terrorist. Some are faithful followers of their religion and do so in a tolerant manner, without espousing violence against others.
Yep, got your point. I think B-uno was trying to make a funny.
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Yep, got your point. I think B-uno was trying to make a funny.

I guess I didn't get it. I've gotten his humor most of the time. OH well...back to the creating new and inventive ways to execute the suspect discussion.


P.S. I noticed in an article I read that they hadn't decided whether to charge him in military or civilian court. WTH? He's a military member accused of committing multiple acts of murder on a military base. Let them deal with him. If I recall correctly, the UCMJ does allow for the death penalty. If not, let Texas have him...they'll take care of it.
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That is just traditional Islamic, not Islamist, garb. He may have just been coming from morning prayers or something. Until the investigators talk to him, speculation as to motive will only fan the flames of distrust and hate.
He's a terrorist and those are the clothes they wear when they're "comfortable".

Americans need to wake up and realize who the enemy is.
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He's a terrorist and those are the clothes they wear when they're "comfortable".

Americans need to wake up and realize who the enemy is.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Great thing about the good ole US of A.

It's the terrorists who are comfortable in street clothes you should worry about. They won't put those on until they're ready to do their thing. I would be willing to bet not all of them wear that garb when they do their thing. I don't know though as I've never heavily researched the fashion trends of Islamist terrorists. And to head off any "Oh well that's what he did." We have no idea what his normal garb was. To lump all faithful Islamics in the same boat as this toerag and other terrorists is just helping them win.
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What I don't understand is why the news outlets are referring to this ahem, man, as the 'alleged shooter.' How many eye witnesses does it take to determine that he was, indeed, the shooter? Is there any doubt that he is not the gunman?

As far as his clothes are concerned, I don't think there was anything unusual about the traditional garb. In other words, I doubt that his wearing them should have been a warning of any kind. IIRC, most terrorists, bent on dying a martyr's death, are recently clean-shaven and wear black robes (or whatever they are called) after being cleaned and perfumed. Since Nadal was in the army, he was clean shaven all the time, so there would havebeen no indicator.
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He never should have made it to the hospital alive, then there would not be some long trial or medical expenses or keeping him alive in prison for decades. That would have taken care of "alleged". Sorry, I have no compassion for violent criminals and our justice system is too soft on them.
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He never should have made it to the hospital alive, then there would not be some long trial or medical expenses or keeping him alive in prison for decades. That would have taken care of "alleged". Sorry, I have no compassion for violent criminals and our justice system is too soft on them.

im sure he will be released like the prisoners of cuba
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He never should have made it to the hospital alive, then there would not be some long trial or medical expenses or keeping him alive in prison for decades. That would have taken care of "alleged". Sorry, I have no compassion for violent criminals and our justice system is too soft on them.

I say throw him in Leavenworth whether he gets the death penalty or not. I'm sure there are still guys in there, that though they are criminals, would disagree with him shooting a bunch of fellow soldiers. They'll take care of it.

Or as I stated earlier, let Texas have him. As Ron White says, "We have the death penalty...and we USE it." We as in Texans, I'm not one.

Legal experts are wondering whether he'll get a fair trial. First, he committed a rather high profile crime, no escaping that unless you go into the sticks where there's no TV or newspapers. Second, what he did was in no way fair to his victims, so screw him.
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What I don't understand is why the news outlets are referring to this ahem, man, as the 'alleged shooter.'

Calling him an 'alleged shooter' is protocol.

I don't like it any more than the next person, but, I used that term too.

Please don't forget. . . ."Innocent, until PROVEN guilty in a court of law."

That's why he's "alleged".
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I don't believe these murders were an act of terror per se. I think he was probably driven to commit this crime by the stress of serving a country that has caused his own people so much misery.
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Calling him an 'alleged shooter' is protocol.

I don't like it any more than the next person, but, I used that term too.

Please don't forget. . . ."Innocent, until PROVEN guilty in a court of law."

That's why he's "alleged".
Problem is, 'alleged' suggests that he may not be the one pulling the trigger. Plenty of eye-witnesses have put the gun in his hand. As far as I know, there are no other suspects in the shooting because they 'know' (not are 'guessing that') he is the shooter. he IS the shooter, of that there is no doubt, so why call him alleged? I understand our screwed up justice system is required to do things in a certain way.

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I don't believe these murders were an act of terror per se. I think he was probably driven to commit this crime by the stress of serving a country that has caused his own people so much misery.
Then he should have gotten out and joined code pink with Cindy Sheehan.
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