Dodge ups the ante with 6.4l hemi

[QwkTrip]

LOL! I know, they've brought some weenie looking trucks to the US.

[Hybris]

A long time ago my family had a mid 80's Isuzu Pup pickup with the Diesel and it was dead on reliable right up until some mofo showing off in his new BMW power slide right into the front of the truck.

Of course with modern environmental junk on engines today who knows if that reliability is still there?

[Krewat]

Originally Posted by Pinky Demon

Krewat posted something about how his nephew had a Hemi and he did the quarter mile with him.

Nope, never said that Never happened

My nephew had both a "Crew cab" and a "Supercab" (or whatever Dodge calls the equivalent to Ford) with the Hemis. I have no idea what gearing he had.

He could (empty) fly like crap through a goose, but once when he was towing a trailer with a quad on it, and I was loaded with enough crap in the bed to more than make up for his trailer/quad, every time we'd hit a hill, I'd hear his start to SCREAM, and still not keep up with me. My V10 at the time, no headers, no tuner, no y-pipe, and with 3.73's, would just keep pulling up the hill without a problem. And that Dodge was the 1500 - so it was very light compared to my 6900lbs Supercab shortbed. In all, I probably weighed at least 1000-1500 lbs more.

I did, however, race a few on the street. Apparently with the tranny gearing they have (low 1st, but big jump to 2nd) is why they would pull away a few lengths from a dead-stop, but I'd keep up and get closer and closer until about 55-60MPH and have to let off. Once, I was able to go from a three-lane stop-light straight onto limited-access highway with a shortbed 1500, and while he pulled away initially, I was able to pull up next to him until my 96MPH speed limiter kicked in. Again, before all the mods.

WIth all the mods, and a 5-star SCT 87 octane tune, I've dropped my 10 second 0-60 (AFTER the mods) down to 9.02-9.04 seconds (just by adding the tuner).

One of these days I'm putting 4.30's or even 4.56's in it, and we'll see how fast the tires disappear

ANYWAY - great for Dodge they have high numbers. Whoopeee. It's still a Dodge.

[dkf]

I suspect Ford will put a larger V8 than the 6.2l in upcoming SDs. I figure the Ford left room for a displacement increase in the 6.2l block for a reason. I just have a feeling that diesels are going to lose some of their popularity in F-250 and F-350 trucks since they are becoming more and more expensive and complex.

I do like the look of the current 1500-3500 Dodges. I still view the Hemi as more of a marketing gimmick than anything.

[Krewat]

dkf, something else to think about is that gas engines are more readily adapted to other fuels like E85, propane, LPG, and even hydrogen if they strap on a supercharger.

If I were engineering an engine these days, I would certainly put more effort into building something that can be used for fuels that are certainly going to be pushed more in the future, especially hydrogen.

[Pinky Demon]

I talked to a commercial truck fleet salesman guy at a dealership today, and he told me, the rumor coming down the pipeline was that Ford was doing a V8 EcoBoost for the Super Duties to supplement the 6.2L.

[Greg B]

Dodge and GM build decent trucks. I really like how the Dodges look. The hemi engine is capable and the new transmissions are better than what Dodge used to use. But when you go underneath a Dodge or GM and compare them to an equivalent Ford it's easy to see why Ford is the best and weighs more than the competition. Without a doubt Ford has the best frame and suspension in the business in the pickup world. Even though I lashed Ford for the areas that i feel they have cut corners and fleeced the consumer with more expensive than necessary repairs and maintenance on some things, they build the best pickup trucks in the business hands down. They may not be the fastest or get the best fuel mileage, but the entire package is the most capable made.

[Karl4Cat]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Dodge and GM build decent trucks. I really like how the Dodges look. The hemi engine is capable and the new transmissions are better than what Dodge used to use. But when you go underneath a Dodge or GM and compare them to an equivalent Ford it's easy to see why Ford is the best and weighs more than the competition. Without a doubt Ford has the best frame and suspension in the business in the pickup world. Even though I lashed Ford for the areas that i feel they have cut corners and fleeced the consumer with more expensive than necessary repairs and maintenance on some things, they build the best pickup trucks in the business hands down. They may not be the fastest or get the best fuel mileage, but the entire package is the most capable made.

Agree 100%.

[PowerStrokeJoe]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Dodge and GM build decent trucks. I really like how the Dodges look. The hemi engine is capable and the new transmissions are better than what Dodge used to use. But when you go underneath a Dodge or GM and compare them to an equivalent Ford it's easy to see why Ford is the best and weighs more than the competition. Without a doubt Ford has the best frame and suspension in the business in the pickup world. Even though I lashed Ford for the areas that i feel they have cut corners and fleeced the consumer with more expensive than necessary repairs and maintenance on some things, they build the best pickup trucks in the business hands down. They may not be the fastest or get the best fuel mileage, but the entire package is the most capable made.

I agree. I have owned three Dodge/Chrysler products. I still have my Dodge 2500 V10. We have used it on the farm all of the 150K thats on it. It is just now beginning to give me fits. It has held up well but I feel that my Super Duty is a much more solid truck. Dodge has cut many corners and taken the cheap way out in recent years. I had a Charger with the Hemi and while it was fun it spent a lot of time in the shop and had many annoying little quality issues. I also had a Jeep Commander with the Hemi. It held up very well. That being said when I traded the Jeep on the Super Duty I drove a Dodge and a GMC. There is no comparison to the Ford. I don't know how well the Hemi will hold up in the long run under a heavy duty application. I have been a die hard dodge finatic, but this Super Duty had converted me.

[fordmdb]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Dodge and GM build decent trucks. I really like how the Dodges look. The hemi engine is capable and the new transmissions are better than what Dodge used to use. But when you go underneath a Dodge or GM and compare them to an equivalent Ford it's easy to see why Ford is the best and weighs more than the competition. Without a doubt Ford has the best frame and suspension in the business in the pickup world. Even though I lashed Ford for the areas that i feel they have cut corners and fleeced the consumer with more expensive than necessary repairs and maintenance on some things, they build the best pickup trucks in the business hands down. They may not be the fastest or get the best fuel mileage, but the entire package is the most capable made.

Agreed!!! Our 2003 F250 5.4L auto shop truck as 409,000 miles on it ... all original engine and tranny.. purchased from original owner... Looking at the truck and driving it people just cant beleive it.. drives like it has 100k mi on it.

[Fordsflylow]

Originally Posted by fordmdb

Agreed!!! Our 2003 F250 5.4L auto shop truck as 409,000 miles on it ... all original engine and tranny.. purchased from original owner... Looking at the truck and driving it people just cant beleive it.. drives like it has 100k mi on it.

Yup, that'd be a few miles alrighty! What type/brand of oil do you use?

[bucci]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Dodge and GM build decent trucks. I really like how the Dodges look. The hemi engine is capable and the new transmissions are better than what Dodge used to use. But when you go underneath a Dodge or GM and compare them to an equivalent Ford it's easy to see why Ford is the best and weighs more than the competition. Without a doubt Ford has the best frame and suspension in the business in the pickup world. Even though I lashed Ford for the areas that i feel they have cut corners and fleeced the consumer with more expensive than necessary repairs and maintenance on some things, they build the best pickup trucks in the business hands down. They may not be the fastest or get the best fuel mileage, but the entire package is the most capable made.

I agree that the Ford appears to be better suited for heavy duty use. That is why I bought the Ford chassis cab over the Dodge.

When I was comparing the Ford chassis cab to the Dodge chassis cab, the Ford weighed about 175 lbs more (gas engines). I don't think that is a significant amount. Techinically it does but I don't think that little amount of weight means anything. Maybe the pickups have a bigger weight difference, I don't know.

The Ford chassis cab also has a few hundred pounds more payload than the Dodge. The biggest difference is in towing capacity. I couldn't believe how low the Dodge chassis cab was rated. Ford F350 DRW 4x4 chassis cab is rated at 15,000 lbs conventional with V10 auto and 4.10 (16,000 lb with 4.30). Dodge 3500 DRW 4x4 chassis cab is rated at 11,000 lbs with Hemi auto and 4.10.

[Diesel_Brad]

Originally Posted by Pinky Demon

Eh, big deal. Dodge had a 5.7L that produced much more than the 5.4 modular, but guess who still sold more trucks. Power is nothing without control and durability, and that's why Dodge will always be trailing behind Ford and Chevy. Only thing I like about them is the diesel engine that they outsource for. Besides, if I really wanted a Cummins that bad, I'd just go find a Sterling Bullet.

A Sterling Bullet is just a Dodge w a Sterling grill. There is no difference

[rockcrawler_101]

The 5.7 are good motors got 100k on my magnum and it get 22-28mpg all the time with a 4000 pound car. But if im buying a truck its going to be diesel, or have the biggest engine in it.

[suzuki0702]

WTF?!?! annnootttheeerr hemi? what is this the 3rd motor called a hemi? wow thats pathetic. ill agree they are decent motors but why are we still calling it "the hemi" ......?5.7 hemi, 6.2 hemi now 6.4 hemi? lol what'll they come up with next? another hemi maybe!