Toyota not admitting fault for problems.Acceleration.ABC news story
First off, I would like to say as a former technician I know how sorry they are in admitting fault and trying to blame the customer for THEIR problems. We had a TSB for Oil gelling in the heads on engines. They sent out a TSB to US, not customers to remove and clean the heads. And how to blame the consumer saying they did not change the iol properly. HOWEVER, the real problem was the heads oil return holes were too small, and the oil just sit there. Usually the fix was customer pay if out of warranty... BS!
Now there is this MAJOR problem involving a lot of their vehicles. The accelerator sticks and accelerates quickly. They recalled the damn floor mats, yet people still have the problem. There have been over 2000 cases reported, many were fatal. They actually blamed a few saying they hit the gas rather than brake pedal... WHAT A LOAD OF BS! Once again, they sent out a TSB for the techs saying the computer was the REAL problem, but only replace under warranty. There is now a big investigation into them and a class action lawsuit.
This type of business practice is unacceptable! They need to be heavily fined and possibly put out of business, at least here in the US.
All good points and info Joe, but it's not just Toyota. Ford STILL basically will not admit there is a "death wobble" problem with many of its' SD trucks. Then there was the Toyota frame rust problem which they finally addressed, albeit as a result of a class action. Weak head gaskets on Chevy 4.3's that manifest themselves around 60k or so, conveniently out of warranty but clearly a defect. 5.4s spitting plugs, did Ford cover that or just send out a fix? The list is lengthy and there is tremendous financial pressure from the bean counters to plausibly deny liability until something forces their hand, all too often as a result of a loss of life.
The goverment is also considering making yoda do a recall on it's earlier p/u's from the rusting frame issues thats causing accidents as the frames rust in half.
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If every auto maker who sold cars in this country were forced out of business for covering up a potentially lethal defect, you would not be able to buy a new car today, including from Ford.
Yeah, that's true intially, then they would eventually get thier stuff together and build it right.
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The Toyota deal is being discussed on the Toyota boards big time. One "fix" was to zip tie the mats to the seat frame.
I've seen one guy talk about a throttle application that seemed to be caused by the E-throttle.
I see how stacked or wrong mats would catch the pedal, but there are other factors and questions uresolved afaik. For one, the "Start/Stop" button. Needs to be held 3 seconds to kill the motor. No go, imo.
Should be two buttons, and the stop should be instant.
And wtf is it with people that they can't find neutral, which they went through on the way to drive, when faced with this problem?
The trouble is, comparing head gaskets, cracked intake manifolds (ala the 4.6L from 96-97 in the Mustang/t-bird/Cougar/crown-vic), or even the "death wobble" to a stuck accelerator issue is comparing apples and oranges.
Even during the "death wobble", you can turn the wheel and pull off the road, as long as you keep your head. Yeah, it's oscillating like crazy while you do it, but I haven't heard of one single injury from it.
If 'yota is having such a problem with accelerator stickage, and trying to hide it just as quickly, well, they deserve to have their names splashed all over the front page of every newspaper, website and cable news channel.
Now, of course, you can bring up the Ford Pinto gas tanks (and for good reason), Crown Vic gas tanks in the police cars (which somehow leak after getting rear-ended at 70MPH - gee, ya think it might leak?), the good old Chevy side-saddle gas tanks in their pickups, etc. But these days?
I wonder how much 'yota's issues will be talked about by media outlets that take their money to advertise?
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Thanx, Matthew. That is just amazing, at a loss for words. Note my 08 4runner, time to off it perhaps. Bought my 1st 4runner back in '84 when they were still trucks and this is my 3rd. All had premature rust issues but over the years I accumulated damn near half a million trouble free miles on them, collectively.
If I took my Lexus in for this fix and it came back like this I would be absolutely speechless...
I don't get it- what's wrong with that fancy floor mat holddown they put on the car in the first place? Does it not hold the mat properly?
FWIW, I have disliked electronic throttles since they were first used in cars. There is yet to be one on a gas engine that does not have some delay. Why they can make a 15liter diesel respond instantly, and not a 1.8l gas engine is a big mystery.
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Toyota not admitting fault for problems.Acceleration.ABC news story
