78% is crazy!!!!!!!! your pump is overtaxed. the ipr is basicly closed trying to buidl pressure. i would bet that if you lug those hills with your big load you will see the icp drop off or fluctuate. hpop is still my educated guess
I believe I agree with you Joe. That is a crazy high number. That also was just a quick burst and it held the pressure for that short time. However I agree that if I were to watch it while towing that hill the pressure would drop off.
Now I am just guessing...
The pressure starts to drop off to the injectors. I loose atomization in the chamber due to this. Then I loose a little power due to less atomization then as the pressure drops the injectors are unable to fire or fire very weak for a split second and gives me that "Jerk". It stumbles and picks back up again only to just have this cycle repeat. All this happens very quick though causing that jerking/bucking feeling.
Does that sound somewhat close to what is happening?
I would like DZLJIM's thoughts on this too. From an injector pro point of view.
FWIW, I have been talking with Joey at Terminator and I believe I may go that route. I feel very confident that a dual pump system will take care of my problems. I am thinking dual 15° pumps, whadya think?
Bob said that the adrenaline will be at the top end of it's capabilities. It is mainly designed for stage I's and maybe Stage II's. I have 180 II's and a few other mods.
I was probably going to send him two HPOP's and let him build my pump setup from that. He doesn't advertise prices on that just the full kits and the kits where you send him one. Contact Joey for pricing.
Roentgeep, I only worry about making the next mountain grade, lol. So far, I've done really well with what I've done to the truck, thanks to this site. Neal, I only went with the 130cc babies from Beans, your 50cc over that. You are probably are over the edge, or near it. Your smart to be thinking ahead, I wish now I had gone with the statge 1's. I really do have all the power I need but a guy always thinks of having "MORE"!
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Roentgeep, I only worry about making the next mountain grade, lol. So far, I've done really well with what I've done to the truck, thanks to this site. Neal, I only went with the 130cc babies from Beans, your 50cc over that. You are probably are over the edge, or near it. Your smart to be thinking ahead, I wish now I had gone with the statge 1's. I really do have all the power I need but a guy always thinks of having "MORE"!
Ok, Im totally agree with you in everthing you wrote.
Bob said that the adrenaline will be at the top end of it's capabilities. It is mainly designed for stage I's and maybe Stage II's. I have 180 II's and a few other mods.
I was probably going to send him two HPOP's and let him build my pump setup from that. He doesn't advertise prices on that just the full kits and the kits where you send him one. Contact Joey for pricing.
Why not dual adrenaline pumps?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! hahahahaha. go big or go home right? I wanna see any of us use that much oil... LoL
Are you sure you read the IPR duty cycle correctly? The OBS will only see a MAX of 54%, the Super Duties will go to 65%. So something doesn't sound right there.
FWIW, 180cc Single Shots use the same oil as AD codes which use a stock 17* pump. Ok, well, Stage-2 180's will empty quicker so they might need a little more oil. But I bet with good tuning you would be fine with a single stock 17* pump.
If I only had Stage-2's, I'd stick with a single pump.
It could also be possible that an injector or 2 are letting oil pass at a certain speed/rpm/oil psi. But if it only does this while towing, then that's perplexing, it shoudl be consistant empty too.
???
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Are you sure you read the IPR duty cycle correctly? The OBS will only see a MAX of 54%, the Super Duties will go to 65%. So something doesn't sound right there.
FWIW, 180cc Single Shots use the same oil as AD codes which use a stock 17* pump. Ok, well, Stage-2 180's will empty quicker so they might need a little more oil. But I bet with good tuning you would be fine with a single stock 17* pump.
If I only had Stage-2's, I'd stick with a single pump.
It could also be possible that an injector or 2 are letting oil pass at a certain speed/rpm/oil psi. But if it only does this while towing, then that's perplexing, it shoudl be consistant empty too.
???
so this tells me that an adrenaline isn't as cool as i thought it was..
run another test on that thing neal. CCT turn up anything???
Are you sure you read the IPR duty cycle correctly? The OBS will only see a MAX of 54%, the Super Duties will go to 65%. So something doesn't sound right there.
I will do more date logging but th enumbers were very high.
FWIW, 180cc Single Shots use the same oil as AD codes which use a stock 17* pump. Ok, well, Stage-2 180's will empty quicker so they might need a little more oil. But I bet with good tuning you would be fine with a single stock 17* pump. I run a stock 17 pump right now. it does good for DD but it will set a CEL real fast.
If I only had Stage-2's, I'd stick with a single pump.
It could also be possible that an injector or 2 are letting oil pass at a certain speed/rpm/oil psi. But if it only does this while towing, then that's perplexing, it shoudl be consistant empty too.
???
These numbers were obtained empty and only on a short burst. I will do more data logging this weekend.
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Originally Posted by strokin'_tatsch
so this tells me that an adrenaline isn't as cool as i thought it was..
That is my thought as well.
run another test on that thing neal. CCT turn up anything???
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Originally Posted by c00nhunterjoe
i have never seen a 7.3 go over 54 percent either. and the only time i have seen that happen is on "no start" situations that are oil leak related.
I believe I agree with you Joe. That is a crazy high number. That also was just a quick burst and it held the pressure for that short time. However I agree that if I were to watch it while towing that hill the pressure would drop off.
Now I am just guessing...
The pressure starts to drop off to the injectors. I loose atomization in the chamber due to this. Then I loose a little power due to less atomization then as the pressure drops the injectors are unable to fire or fire very weak for a split second and gives me that "Jerk". It stumbles and picks back up again only to just have this cycle repeat. All this happens very quick though causing that jerking/bucking feeling.
Does that sound somewhat close to what is happening?
I would like DZLJIM's thoughts on this too. From an injector pro point of view.
FWIW, I have been talking with Joey at Terminator and I believe I may go that route. I feel very confident that a dual pump system will take care of my problems. I am thinking dual 15° pumps, whadya think?
I agree with that Neal. I'm definitely in the same boat as you are... Thanks for doing all this research! Lol.
I would think a single pump would handle it, but I guess we will have to man up and get electric fuel as well.
Yup. This really confuses me now. I hate it when I get these answers when I post something. Not that they don't believe me or anything. But I know I saw those numbers but I didn't get a chance to record them, so it is like it never happened. LOL
I am definately going to record it and if it shows the same numbers again I will post it. Then maybe we all can diagnose this issue some more.
Jim, when you said an injector or two may be letting oil pass. What did you mean by this? Where does it pass by? Thru the injector or do you mean the o-rings?
Please explain some more.
If I have an issue I need to know and I want to fix it right now.
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