Oh so I'm a liar? Prove it nitwit or better yet just go back to the little pond you are from and talk big there. I know what it did and you weren't there. You just don't get it. I don't even care either. Your opinion has proven to be worthless. I actually have a bunch of trophies, from several differnt racing venues. I've even been a National Champion a couple of times and set some records even. Beside having been a professional mechanic, on both normal stuff and I was a paid race mechanic. But all I hear from you is other people's opinions and experiences. If you have no real world experience why not sit down, shut up and learn from those that have done something.
But all I hear from you is other people's opinions and experiences.
Not true. Read my posts. I ask for advice from people here, and sometimes I give valid advice. I appreciate every single responce to my questions. I do not live in the past and repeat answers given to me as advice to others.
Bear, describe the vacuum circuit you talked about and explain it to a layman how you gained this performance and MPG by removing it, and I'll back off. No BIG talk here. No bragging, no smack talk. I was a ASE MASTER mechanic at 19, worked in the field for 10 more years, racing and at dealers. It means nothing now in my profesional life and I'm embarrased to bring it up. Real world is all we ask for, not faded memories of glory.
This subject has taken a off topic turn. I apologize to the forum. I'll stop fermenting the issue.
Well I was trying to just document something I already have installed on my truck that already works and this new version with more thought about actual flow numbers and how it will operate better. Nothing new just new to my truck and more or less a toy to play with. I will double the intake size and seal it off better into a pressure plenum. At even 30 mph my radiator face will build substantial pressure. At the carb I have good vac. The differential between the two is a matter of physics. Increase the differential pressure across a fixed meter and flow and velocity will increase. That’s "Ram Air" at the same time I will be feeding cold dense air. Higher mpg, higher hp to some degree. This system will be my 3rd version and when I get my truck back I will be able to put it all together with the new carb, custom spacer and K&N filter. I am hoping to get the temp switch to maintain a mixed air temp to some degree at highway speed in winter so I don't ice up. That’s why I improved the stove fitting.
You can buy systems like it in concept from Summit and others But all for new stuff and cost hundreds. Mine fits my truck and will look factory when I'm done. Cost me about 30 bucks for the induction.
Anyway no harm
Last edited by Kennewick; 11-13-2009 at 12:59 AM.
Reason: clairification
Anyhow, K you are on a path to somewhere, who can say? If your happy Muy Bueno! I think your efforts were assessed way ahead of time and on that note everyone is entitled to their opinion. Whether or not they should keep it TTFS is a matter of opinion as well. I used to work for an Italian who strongly believed and argument a day was healthy. Who can say he was wrong the 50+ SOB can hang with the best of them!
Look at the glass half full, if Riderman wasn't a ****ing punk IYO you wouldn't have cause to go that extra inch you know you will now. Regardless of opinions or results. "Sometimes pissing into a fan is just the ticket"
[quote=Redmanbob;8139756]Anyhow, K you are on a path to somewhere, who can say? If your happy Muy Bueno! I think your efforts were assessed way ahead of time and on that note everyone is entitled to their opinion. Whether or not they should keep it TTFS is a matter of opinion as well. I used to work for an Italian who strongly believed and argument a day was healthy. Who can say he was wrong the 50+ SOB can hang with the best of them!
Look at the glass half full, if Riderman wasn't a ****ing punk IYO you wouldn't have cause to go that extra inch you know you will now. Regardless of opinions or results. "Sometimes pissing into a fan is just the ticket"
Not sure what your talking about. I'm doing as said just trying to finish my thread. When I get my truck back I will post some more pics of my little project. It will show the rest of the system connecting duct all mounted up and painted up it will look nice and I think work good. So what is it with this forum and all the attacks? I'm not arguing with anyone. Now I'm Gay?? Come on. I was hopeing riderman would give me a break. How about you? Peace
redmanbob I keep reading your post cause I don't have any beef with you and don't want to hear any more of this stuff above. But I still can't quite figure out what your saying. If your dissing me or not I don't care. Peace. For some reason this thread pisses folks off so I'm done with it.
Take it easy!
redmanbob I keep reading your post cause I don't have any beef with you and don't want to hear any more of this stuff above. But I still can't quite figure out what your saying. If your dissing me or not I don't care. Peace. For some reason this thread pisses folks off so I'm done with it.
Take it easy!
K, relax. I was being "dissed" by redmanbob. This thread pisses no one off. Just a difference of opinion, that's all. Continue on with your project please, I really mean that.. I've spent so much money on dyno hours that I hatched my oppinions on things that may be wrong. I hijacked your thread and let it get off topic..I apologize...
Wasn't trying to dissss anyone. Just pointing out the facts, given the chance boys will be boys. I think any project that keeps us outa the ***** house/saloon/jail is a good one
PS. K, you might want to play fair. If your going to PM at least turn yours on so folks don't have to let you have the last word so to speak. PM's are to keep the kind of stuff that happened here outa the forum.
Interesting thread Kennewick. I've done some trial and error stuff along the same lines. You don't learn unless you try and then improve on design. What was it the 84-85 or 86 Mustang GT that used the dual snorkle air cleaners with the hose going to each fender well for air. And how about the old TBolts with the airbox and dual hoses to the center high beam locations? Ram air and shaker hoods have been around a long time. And many have built things based off them. The cowl fed NASCAR induction is another interesting alternative. On a side note someone on another forum was messing around with airflow on low profile hood scoops. And discovered the air actually flowed over the scoop instead of into it. Nice we can all share the learning despite some negative reactions from others. Not everything can be based on dyno sheets alone. Keep up the good work.
__________________
68 Cougar XR7 GT. 454" tunnelport in progress.
Interesting thread Kennewick. I've done some trial and error stuff along the same lines. You don't learn unless you try and then improve on design. What was it the 84-85 or 86 Mustang GT that used the dual snorkle air cleaners with the hose going to each fender well for air. And how about the old TBolts with the airbox and dual hoses to the center high beam locations? Ram air and shaker hoods have been around a long time. And many have built things based off them. The cowl fed NASCAR induction is another interesting alternative. On a side note someone on another forum was messing around with airflow on low profile hood scoops. And discovered the air actually flowed over the scoop instead of into it. Nice we can all share the learning despite some negative reactions from others. Not everything can be based on dyno sheets alone. Keep up the good work.
My angle on this comes from my last 30 years of working with forced and inducted air systems in HVAC duct work. The industry uses (sometimes) pressure boxes to feed parallel duct runs by more or less deadheading a flow of air, it builds pressure (can be a lot of pressure) then as the pressure rises it feeds multiple outlets. Once the air enters one of the outlets (a supply duct) you want to remove as much static resistance to deliver as much flow as possible. This induction system is trying the same idea buy using the static pressure built at the front of the radiator housing and letting it enter a duct (my carb intake duct). Then increase the effect because the engine is sucking the pressurized air at a much higher velocity. Like a small blower at highway speed. The system I have now works but this one will be better. Its Ram Air not just cold air intake. I just got to get my truck back from the Autoshop Teacher!!
fficeffice" />>>
Wasn't trying to dissss anyone. Just pointing out the facts, given the chance boys will be boys. I think any project that keeps us outa the ***** house/saloon/jail is a good one
PS. K, you might want to play fair. If your going to PM at least turn yours on so folks don't have to let you have the last word so to speak. PM's are to keep the kind of stuff that happened here outa the forum.
I keep trying to turn it on but I'm not getting it done.
. Nice we can all share the learning despite some negative reactions from others. Not everything can be based on dyno sheets alone. Keep up the good work.
Ya just had to add that last sentence, get that jab in, didnt ya FFR. I allready appologized to the man ..Geesh
PS: Why are those "ram air" method's you mentioned no longer used? Hood scoops are effectice above what speed? A pipe under the hood pointing in front of the radiator or under a fender is effective...how? Mayby the 2010 Mustang GT should open up it's fake hood cowl and get more than 305 HP. K may really be on to something, that is not a slam to you K. Thinking outside the box is great. You may just find that sweet spot we all are looking for.
K, I'm headed to your state for a week starting tommorrow..I hear it's raining and in the 50's. Can ya at least stop the rain in the Bremerton area? )
They still do. Check out ram air on Summit. Banks makes some real nice ones. Some other reasons are mass air flow sensors on stock units with aftermarket ram air or cold air intakes. Need a chip in some cases to get the computer to feed more fuel.. Carbs just dump to thier limit. And I live in the desert we only get 10" a year. In Bremerton you will probably get that in a couple of hours. LOL
Yeah, Kennewick lives on the dry side as we call it. I however live 45 minutes from Bremerton on beautiful Hood Canal.
As to the rain, we are under a "Flood Warning" and a "High Wind Warning"since yesterday. It has rained over 2 1/2" in the last 48 hours. That following about 3/4" a day for the two days before that. So to top it off, rain is likely thru Sunday. So bring your goloshes, umbrella (even though it is like to be inverted) and your slicker.
__________________
Bear 45/70 Gimp Racing
“There are only two things stopping you, common sense and fear! And not much of the latter.”
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford® is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.
ffice" />
)
