hello,this is probably a dumb question,i know alot of 67-72 f100 long beds came with big blocks from the factory,but what about f100 short beds is that rare or very common (from the factory)
Don't get hung up on "big block" with a 360. It's the same size as the fire-breather FE engines, but it's just a wheezer low compression gas hog, the standard larger displacement, low output, long life truck engine.
It can be worked with. See the FE engine forum for dozens and dozens of ".....360....." threads.
For some of those years, the 352/360/390 was the only V8 offered IIRC. The 352 was replaced by the 360 in 1968.
was it common for a shorty to come from the factory with a big block or was it common for them to come with small blocks
Bub, You need to come in out of the rain of chebby land. Small block - big block refer to chevy engines only, and I believe their 454 is considered a small block but could be wrong. It's just a term.
In 1965 Ford made big changes in it's trucks and the FE 352 was the only V8 offered. The FE series was offered until 1976. As 85e150six4mtod posted the 360 replaced the 352 & in some of those years a 390 could be ordered. It was about 1968 when the smaller 302 was introduced to the pickup lineup and stayed through 96.
Short beds and long beds were equipped the same, the shorty just had a shorter bed and chassis everything else was the same.
John
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Bub, You need to come in out of the rain of chebby land. Small block - big block refer to chevy engines only, and I believe their 454 is considered a small block but could be wrong. It's just a term.
John
OK, let's get another 10 page thread about SB/BB. It works best, and was originally a Chev term. But about 5 min. after the term was coined, it started to be applied generically to all brands where there were two engine series in production, such as the 1960s Ford offerings of a 289 or a 390 in a Mustang or just about everything else they made. Back to the OP, like I said, don't get caught up with this term. As for this particular truck, a 302 might be a better engine for certain things, the 360 for others. All engines in this era were hampered by the essentially 3 speed non-od transmissions offered. It worked, but as we now know, more gears work better.
edsel bryant ford was henry fords son and built that terrible car for a short time, but how in the hay does that have anything to do with OUR engines? why are they called "FE" ?
if its "ford edsel" it makes no sense to me.
352 was used in the Edsel. This was an engine developed at the same time as the Edsel line was being developed. Intended for both lines, it is a "Ford Edsel" engine. Or so goes one school of thought.
Yup, He was there when they built that terrible truck called the unibody. It was a complete dud, only lasted 3 years. Today it is much sought after, by guys wanting a place for their big block Ford Edsel engines. From my Ford reading they considered it a mid size block, with some of the old Lincoln engines being big block.
85e150six4mtod, Since when did you object to being part of a 10 page thread?
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edsel bryant ford was henry fords son and built that terrible car for a short time.
Edsel Bryant Ford had absolutly nothing to do with the car that bore his name.
Edsel Bryant Ford died in 1943 of bleeding ulcers. Henry Ford had nothing to do with it either, as he died in 1947.
Edsel's son Henry Ford II (aka The Deuce), and Ford's marketing department were the ones that were responsible. The defunct Packard Motor Car Co. was also responsible, but that's another story.
In a marketing survey conducted in 1953, The Deuce decided another car was necessary to slot between the Ford and the Mercury, because a large price gap existed between the two cars.
Ford went public in 1956 (for the first time) to raise the funds for the new car, then refered to as the E Model.
The Edsel was introduced in September 1957, Ford expected to sell 200,000 units for model year 1958.
But, 1957 was the beginning of the Eisenhower Recession, and the gap that had existed in 1953 had vanished by 1957.
Only 63,110 Edsels (called Dead-Sells by salesmen) were sold in model year 1958 (a paltry 1.3% share of the US market).
Besides the two reasons cited above, the car was perceived as butt-ugly by ppl in general.
Time magazine said it looked like an Oldsmobile sucking a lemon!
On November 19, 1959 after assembling 2,896 1960 models, the Edsel was canceled.
Total 1958/59/60 production: 110,847 units.
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What does FE refer to?
In 1958 Ford introduced three new V8 engines, called FE's. The 332 & 352 were installed in Ford passenger cars, the 361 was installed in 1958 Edsel Pacers and Corsairs.
The top-of-the-line Citations used another new engine, the 410 which was based on the Lincoln 430.
Because of poor sales of 1958 Edsel's, the 361 and 410 were only used in 1958. The Citation and Pacer models were also canceled.
btw: Only the 1960 Edsel's were available with the 352.
Model year 1958: 223 I-6 (Ranger only) / 292 2V (Ranger only) / 361 4V (Pacer/Corsair) / 410 4V (Citation).
Model year 1959: 223 I-6 / 292 2V / 332 2V // Model year 1960: 223 I-6 / 292 2V / 352 2V.
All 1960 models were Rangers except station wagons, which were called Villagers. The Corsair was canceled after 1959.
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Depends on the year. Some years, the 302 was not available. I don't know production numbers for the sixes/V8s.
Does it matter? It was not a limited production item. The collector value on these is pretty low as collector values go.
I don't know where to find the production/sales numbers. Maybe someone has a link or knows.
Hmm...after typing a near magazine chapter in Post 10, I see more clarification is needed in this thread.
The simple solution for the OP would be if he posted the VIN...then he would...at least know what engine his truck came with originally.
The first year for the 302 in F100's was 1969.
VIN engine codes used in 1968/72 F100/350's: A = 240 I-6 / B = 300 I-6 / G = 302 2V (1969/72 F100 only) / H = 390 2V / Y = 360 2V.
There are no published production figures for what trucks (and cars) came with what engines, transmissions and etc.
Ford has NONE of this info (or darn near anything else related to 1967/79 cars/trucks) any longer as they planned to throw all of it into the TRASH in the late 1980's.
Kevin Marti, a Mustang nut from Phoenix AZ heard about Ford's plans, and got ALL of it.
If you wanna know, you have to get a Marti Report (martiauto.com). There is a fee for this service, which varies on how much info you want.
How your 1967/79 car/truck came equipped from the factory: Ford will provide this info free, but it takes weeks, cuz Ford has to get the info from Marti!
What is published is production figures for how many trucks were 2WD/4WD: Flaresides, Stylesides, Cab & Chassis and etc. I have this info.
3 speed Borg-Warner manual transmissions with OVERDRIVE were available on all 1953/72 F100's with whatever engines sizes were available....except one.
Not to split hairs, but the everyday description, in general discussions by layman (not the techno crowd), the FE, FT, and 385 series ford engines are considered big blocks. The 221 - 351W are small blocks. It is not so much the cubic inches but the actual physical dimension of the engine. All of the big three auto makers have gone through this stereo typing albeit GM started it. And, it will probably continue to cause debate among those looking for absolution.
My 2 or 3 cents!
Tim
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