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Old 12-31-2009, 07:00 AM
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I'll never need a 450 but I am concerned about the Super Duty line. A few things happening here, I think:

1. Appears Ford thinks the 450 is an opportunity to sell trucks because it has a number higher than 350/3500. Kinda like wearing a golf shirt with a Nike swoop on it.

2. Ford looks to make a higher profit margin by using more shared parts in the SD line.

3. Ford thinks it can hide behind the "MPG gains" and hopes all of us will forget about metal and gears.

This makes me angry. I wasted money on 3 GM branded trucks before I found the SD. My 250 is perfect for me and my work, a 350SRW is probably next for me to gain just a little safety over the 250 when towing. I am worried that the whole line will start to get lightened, weakened, and less useful.
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I don't see that happening, Joel.

In 2011 we will still have our solid front axle, beefy frame, bulletproof rear axles, big brakes, HD transmissions, high-output engines, etc.

The current F450 has a rear axle that's rated for 11,000 lbs, while the axle on the F350 is rated for 9,000 lbs.

But why can't that Dana M80 support 11,000 lbs? I mean, the only difference between the -250 and -350 SRW trucks is the door stickers, but just that seems to be worth an increase of 1,000 lbs on the rear axle!

4 E-rated tires are still rated at over 12,000 lbs capacity in dually form...so why does the downgraded axle mean that it wouldn't be safe handling the same loads? Maybe it's possible that the S110 axle was simply overbuilt for the application and the average pickup F450 buyer didn't need that capacity.
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I'm sorry but anyone who doesn't mind paying more for fuel is an idiot...

I have 2 Mack tamden dump trucks and get aboout 5 MPG. If I could get more MPG's I'd be all over it. Unless you're a Shiek your stupid not to want better mileage out of your "fleet".

For those of you that are bemoaning the capabilities of the F-450's maybe you should be looking for a heavier truck like a Freightliner FL60 that will tow any 5th wheel out there AND get better fuel mileage to boot.
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Everyone wants more MPG. No question. But NOT at the expense of strength and safety. If you have an F450 for towing and it scales 14500# loaded then you need an F450, not a decontented excuse for an F450 that will only gross out at 13000#.

The fact mileage could easily be gained with better aero, a rethinking of the DPF technology and its regen and different gearing - such as a six speed AT that only uses the first 5 gears for towing.

My F450 weighs nearly 10000# full of fuel (60 gal) and taking out the Dana 110 and the big tires and brakes means I can't use it any more.
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I wish they would just drop the f450 pickup version, and leave that name to the cab and chassis version. I also think they should drop the lame "super duty" name, because really, what other duty is out there? So why not call the 250 350's what they are. Just standard f250s and f350s and call the now f450 "neutered version" a super duty f350. That way the "super duty" will actually mean something. Remember back in the mid 90s we had the standard f250 and f350 and then the "super duty", F-450. At least "super duty" actually meant something
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Chev/Dodge call their 2500/3500 "Heavy Duty".
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It's just marketing... However, I love the "Super Duty" name!
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i also like the moniker of the superduty...

its what helps some people understand its more truck then a F150...
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i also like the moniker of the superduty...

its what helps some people understand its more truck then a F150...
My point exactly! Its all just marketing! If they all call them super dutys or heavy duty, whats the standard duty? We all know a f150 is lighter than a 250 and 250 lighter than a 350 yatta yatta yatta. So whats the point in the name. I feel sorry for the people who get dooped into buying a truck because its a "super duty" over a "standard duty" that doesn't exist.

Any way just my rant. If they call the thing a f 450. I think it should be the same gvw or have options to make it the same gvw as the cab and chassis. It was always nice to have the F450 and F550 separate than the F250 and F350.
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First there was "Heavy Duty". Then came "Super Duty". What do you think the next name will be... "Extreme Duty?"
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I vote for "Super Duper Duty"!

Okay, I'll shut up.
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So you spend over $50k for a shiny new F-450 and over $40k for a big ole fiver to pull behind it and your really concerned about a couple mpg? Sorry don't make sense to me at all. Drive a small car or hybrid and stay in a motel it will be a lot cheaper.



I didn't realize top speed was such an issue. I don't know why you'd want to go over 80mph with a heavy trailer anyway. Tires can easily withstand short term use over there speed rating anyway. I'd rather have the 19.5 12 ply tires.
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Even if you do spend a ton of money to buy a new truck and trailer, you should still want good mpg. Why would anybody, even if they have a ton of money, want to waist money on fuel. Heck I spend 1000+ dollars a month on fuel, so any kind of MPG increase helps. Just going from 10-12 pulling a trailer makes a huge savings in fuel. I would much rather spend that extra savings on something else for my business. So there is nothing wrong with wanting extra MPG!
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There's nothing wrong with it, but if you think you can buy a truck with more weight and lower gears and not have mileage suffer you're not thinking things through. A lot of people (I know a few) will buy the biggest truck they can, regardless of whether they tow. It's a "status" symbol, like a Rolex watch. F450s and Rolex watches are nice, but most people don't "need" them to get the job done, they want to get the job done and get noticed at the same time.
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A lot of people (I know a few) will buy the biggest truck they can, regardless of whether they tow. It's a "status" symbol, like a Rolex watch. F450s and Rolex watches are nice, but most people don't "need" them to get the job done, they want to get the job done and get noticed at the same time.
Cough... Cough... That would be me! Hey, I love my F350 and I don't complain about the MPG's because that's part of owning one of these monsters. Isn't it still great living in America!
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